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    Why the great chain?

    Look at the way you are reasoning things. It is the spreading of the gospel that leads to the salvation of both Jew and Gentile, not the binding of satan. Imagine that, unless satan is bound the spreading of the gospel might be hindered, might be stopped altogether. Then you bring up Matthew...
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    Why the great chain?

    So when an Amil says dragon = symbolic, serpent = symbolic = a real being, but bottomless pit = symbolic = therefore unreal---they’ve added an extra step that doesn’t follow. No Amil says heaven can’t be measured, therefore heaven doesn’t exist. Right? The point being. The bottomless pit...
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    Why the great chain?

    My guess is that it's called a bottomless pit(abussos) because the depth of it can't be known. Not that it's literally bottomless. But that t is so deep, it's a if it has no bottom. Maybe think of it like the following, for example. If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the...
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    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. How do you get around this verse? What does it mean then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put...
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    Why the great chain?

    I lack spiritual discernment if I take 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 to be involving both Matthew 24:15-26, and the 42 month reign of the beast, except none of these things are involving a literal city in the middle east and a literal temple there? But I lack spiritual discernment? What do I do then...
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    Why the great chain?

    Why can't they instead refer to the saved that fall away? Makes better sense at least. It's not like apostacy won't be rampant during the 42 month reign of the beast which also involves much of 2 Thessalonians 2. It's not like NOSAS is not Biblical. But Amil wants these in Revelation 20:8 to be...
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    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    LOL. As if there is nothing Jesus ever said that can support a millennium in the future. Try this for one. Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also...
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    Why the great chain?

    Are you going to argue that the war involving Revelation 13:7 is not during a time when satan is deceiving the nations? Revelation 20 makes it clear that first he is deceiving the nations, then he no longer is, then he is deceiving the nations again. And that Revelation 13:7 is either meaning...
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    Why the great chain?

    Let's break the first 3 verses down like such. A) an angel comes down from heaven B) having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. C) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan D) and bound him a thousand years, E) And cast him into...
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    Why the great chain?

    And if satan can rebel against God after having literally been in God's presence, and that satan knew for a fact God was his creator, one is to believe man can't do the same? It will be obvious to all of mankind during the millennium that God Himself is bodily on the planet and ruling it. Yet...
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    Why the great chain?

    The point was, since that was the portion of his post that I quoted, where it commands proving all things---well, didn't I just do that via Genesis 2 and 3 alone?
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    Why the great chain?

    Neither have I. That just came to mind. One time I was conversing with a Shepherd's Chapel student some years back where he was insisting that the serpent was not satan, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was satan. What came to mind at that time was this. Does that mean this is where...
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    Why the great chain?

    According to Genesis 2 and 3, what humans, who for a fact were in the garden at the time, do we know were there? The Man(Adam) and the Woman(Eve). The account mentions no more humans. Who was it then that the woman was conversing with in Genesis 3:2-5? Was she conversing with herself or...
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    Why the great chain?

    Wow. talk about heresy. And at least 2 other ppl believe and agree with this heresy, the fact they liked his post. I wonder how many more Amils believe this heresy? So let's be honest here. There is just as much heresy coming out of the Amil camp than there is the Premil camp. Maybe even more...
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    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    I don't know if it plural or not. But it is plainly obvious it is not a place. Common sense alone tells us that. As if God would be worried that someone might be able to build a tower where it's top reaches heaven where God dwells. Totally preposterous. As to the remainder of your post. Maybe...
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    The sons of God

    Why not simply let Jesus provide the interpretation? Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall...
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    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    First of all the world is not going to literally burn up to begin with, nor is the universe going to explode. Second of all, not all Premils agree 2 Peter 3:10-12 is meaning some 1K years after Christ has returned. I certainly don't agree with that. IOW, the same day of the Lord and the timing...
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    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    When I first found out about Jesus I had zero clue He was God. Never even crossed my mind for decades. Does that mean I knew about Him in vain? Granted, I now realize He is God, but initially I didn't. Initially I wasn't denying He was God. I just didn't put 2 and 2 together at the time...
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    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    Of course he is too prideful to admit he might be wrong about some of this. I have been knowing him for years now, and I don't recall one single time where he ever admitted that maybe the other person is right in this case rather than him. Meaning in regards to something major, such as what we...
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    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    Exactly! That's how I understand it as well. It was simply a prophecy about paradise in the future, meaning the new Jerusalem that comes down from God out of heaven. Jesus was simply telling him that he too will be in paradise with Him when He comes in His kingdom. Luke 23:42 And he said unto...