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I will give it a go. The 144.000 are a percentage of all the tribes of Israel. That places them into another class of people with Abraham's quality of faith and Abe wasnt an Israelite or a jew. Just a little bit of Abe in all of them and any other human being who believes in Jesus. That creates...

You have just set a new world record for the number of times you have been wrong. Job 14 10 But a man dies and lies prostrate. A person passes away, and where is he? 11 As water evaporates from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dried up, 12 So a man lies down and does not rise. Until the...

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Neither Matt 24 or 25 say anything about him ruling over the nations. Its all about mourning in anticipation of judgment - Imo. I am of the opinion that Dan 7 is about the Son being presented to the Father after his victory on the cross. “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with...

Thanks. In both instances the elect are gathered to him (to his right) from all nations. The rest from all nations mourn as they end up on his left. Revelation 1:7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes (nations) of the...

John also depicts two resurrections here..., Chap 5 25 I assure you and most solemnly say to you, a time is coming and is [here] now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear it will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself [and is self-existent]...

I was just stating a fact Doug. You held to your own interpretation of Revelation 20 despite what Paul had to say about the subject in 2Thess 2. Anyway, I have nothing else to say to you unless you are willing to discuss what the rest of the NT gas to say on these matters. God bless

What personal attack? Can you not see that the restraining influence is lifted in 2Thess 2? Can you not see that satan goes forth in all power of deception as a consequence? Why ask me questions you already know the answer to? Its clear I believe satans last deception is prior to the Lords...

You know the answer. Without fail you think more highly of your own interpretation of symbolic old and New Testament literature than you do of plainly written informative NT letters by people of the Lords own choosing. Do yourself a favor and pray about it.

satan last deception occurs just before the second coming. The restraining influence is lifted, and the great chain is unlocked..., 2Thess 2 8 Then the lawless one [the Antichrist] will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by the...

hmmx1: Would you mind quoting the chapter and verse?

Amen. Revelation 2:11 He who has an ear, let him hear and heed what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes [the world through believing that Jesus is the Son of God] will not be hurt by the second death (the lake of fire).’ Rev 1 4 John, to the seven churches that are in [the...

The thought did cross my mind.

As they are believers and born again, they have already escaped judgment according to Jesus in Jn 5. John is in no way implying a physical resurrection facilitates not being hurt by the judgment (second death) I do not know what else I can say to you

The Lord is not an author of confusion by speaking of two comings for us without clearly telling us.

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I find it hard to believe that after all these years Doug didn't know that. :astonished:

Where did Jesus teach this?

so why do you believe the first resurrection of Rev 20 involves a physical resurrection in order to escape coming into judgment? Jn 5 24 “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the person who hears My word [the one who heeds My message], and believes and trusts in Him who sent Me, has...

I addressed this already. From post 1062 11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away]. 35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My...