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    Every rapture position is new

    I told you that I was quoting verbatim from Brenton's Septuagint. Exactly. No alterations from what that version states. It says twice that Elijah was taken "AS IT WERE into heaven". Remember, in this Brenton's Septuagint, this Elijah account is found in IV Kings 2:1 and 11. Perhaps you are...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Please don't misquote me. I never wrote that Elijah was "translated" to another location on earth. I wrote that Elijah was taken by the whirlwind into the skies (which is the first "heaven" of this earth's atmosphere - as opposed to the third heaven where God dwells). I wrote that he was...
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    Every rapture position is new

    I am not ignoring John 8:51. I am putting it alongside the rest of the Scriptures, with which it MUST reconcile. "And so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" is pretty clear that all mankind must pass through the physical death process as a result of sin, since "there is not a...
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    Every rapture position is new

    The Hebrews 9:27-28 text is speaking of the physical death process which Christ experienced ONCE only. All mankind is appointed to experience the same "ONCE to die" physical death process, just like Christ did. Those who are the elect of God are given eternal life of the spirit while in this...
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    Every rapture position is new

    That phrase about the Rechabites never lacking "a man to stand before me for ever" is not speaking of these Kenites being enabled to ascend to heaven. The descendants of the Rechabites are mentioned among the scribes in 1 Chron. 1:55 who came into Canaan when the Israelites entered the land...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Errrr, not really my opinion. Scripture defines this status of the "FIRST-begotten" and "FIRST-born from the dead" titles as Christ being the FIRST to ever ascend to the Father in a glorified human body form. Psalms 2's prophecy about Christ's resurrection-day ascension compares with Paul's...
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    Every rapture position is new

    "As in Adam, ALL die". "It is appointed unto men ONCE to die". Since I am "In Adam" as one of his descendants, my physical body will pass through the physical death process, but my spirit has already been given eternal life, which will be "present with the Lord"at my physical death. While in...
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    Every rapture position is new

    It is impossible for resurrected humanity to appear before God's throne without a Mediator between them and God. Christ had to establish this Great High Priest Mediator role FIRST, before any resurrected saints could ascend to heaven and stand before God face to face. It is why Satan was cast...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Did you take note of the Revelation 15:8 text which strictly prohibited anyone from entering heaven's temple until the 7 plagues had been poured out? And did you take note of the 2 Chron. 21:12 verse which states that Elijah was writing that letter to King Jehoram - loooong after his whirlwind...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Enoch was TRANSLATED so that he would not see death. Nobody before or after that has ever or will ever be translated to avoid the physical death process. Enoch was unique in this regard. God selected Enoch as the single individual who would experience this translation change, which was for a...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    All those Scriptures I gave, (and some I did not include, such as the resurrection prophesied by Daniel 12:1-2) were referring to the AD 70 "rapture" to heaven of ONLY the resurrected believers. Daniel 12:11-13 pinpoints the exact timing and date of that AD 70 resurrection event in which Daniel...
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    Every rapture position is new

    That is not even possible, according to what Revelation 15:8 tells us. The temple in heaven was not opened for resurrected humanity to enter it until after the 7 plagues were poured out. "...and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were...
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    Every rapture position is new

    This is the common assumption. But this assumption is an addition to the Scriptures, which never promise this kind of translation-type change for the living believers who have not physically died yet. It is the DEAD bodies of the believers that are changed to the incorruptible and immortal...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Here is that same passage in the LXX. "And it came to pass, when the Lord was going to take Eliu with a whirlwind as it were into heaven, that Eliu and Elisaie went out of Galgala." And later in verse 11 of the same chapter in the LXX..."And it came to pass as they were going, they went on...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    The Old Testament mentions the righteous dead being bodily resurrected out of their graves. •Isaiah 26:19 - "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead."...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Sure, simple it is. Satan at present is a dead foe. God slew that Dragon and all his underlings almost 2,000 years ago. Since then, it has been mankind alone who is responsible for corrupting the "pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father", which James 1:27 defined for us.
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Mankind has always been able to legalistically concoct "traditions of men" to enslave others. No Satanic help needed, actually. The so-called "holy water" is just one of the many vain traditions that have built up to hold others under control of a coercive, ruling laity, acting as "lords over...
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    Every rapture position is new

    It's true that Enoch was translated so that he did not pass through the death process, but was given a glorified, changed body form that would never die. But he was NOT taken to heaven, because John 3:13 tells us that "no man hath ascended up to heaven" as of that point in time - not even...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    It makes perfect sense for Christ to be defining "Water" as being "namely the Spirit". The Jews were legalistically obsessed with the literal baptism process, thinking that the literal H20 of a baptism rite was credited with producing purity. To that end, they baptized couches, tables, etc...
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    Archaeological proof of Christ's AD 70 bodily return

    Then you disagree with both Christ and Daniel, who predicted the exact countdown to the resurrection which happened to fall on AD 70's Pentecost day. Christ told His first-century audience in Matt. 24:15 that if they read their Daniel Scriptures, that they would understand the timing of the...