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lol.. But as many as have recieved him, to THEM he gave the right to become children of God. Grammatical concept is a person freely recieves the word. and when they do in faith. they are made children of God. I would go to the rest. But if you can not see it here you will not see it anywhere

People show proof by proving they understand the word. You prove you do not understand the word. and can not even go to your own church and have them show they have an understanding of John 6 and ALL jesus said. so please. again.. Eternity is long.. I will pray for you

Or I could read John 1, John 3, John 4, John 5 John 6. and see that everyone must make a choice. to receive the lord in faith. or to reject him

so a person sealed with the spirit UNTIL the day of redemption. even if that HS is grieved can be lost? lol. Again, puffing yourself up

Paul was not talking about salvation.. context helps

you went off on a tangent You did not show me in the texts I gave you where Jesus or paul stated works are required. so no you did not answer my actual question No. I asked you to look at the scripture I have now given you twice and show me where IN THAT SCRIPTURE Jesus or paul spoke of works...

ok lets go with this Why are they doing their works?

you prety much have done it every time I have had any type of conversation with you. lol.. You claim to be without sin, this alone is you puffing yourself up as better than anyone else And john says you are deceived. just like the pharisees were

@nedsk posts parts of scripture two. it is obvious he does not understand what they mean.,. Just because you can quote a few words don't not mean you know what those words say

This same paul said to be absent from the body was to be present with the lord. Yes, he would be a castaway, he would have lost his light, and no one would listen to him not the same as losing salvation

yeah take your self righteousness elsewhere my friend. Pump your chest like a pharisee to people who might care. the rest of us know better.. The people John spoke to thought they did nto sin either. thats why John made it clear to pronounce. if anyone comes and says they are not sinning...

he is no different than a pharisee really 1. He thinks is is by obedience to the law he is saved 2. He pumps his chest prainsing God he is not like us sinners. 3. He does not understand what sin really is.. because he thinks he has none. hence like the pharisee he waters down the law

then you are under law not under grace.. again, your under law not under grace. sadly. even if you never broke another command or sinned again, you would still be lost. because your trusting in your ability to keep from sinning. and Not Gods ability to save you completely

lol.. this is funny, You refuse to answer questions. then attack him??

I think I have proven you do not believe jesus is speaking literally in John 6.

yet you still are totally unable to answer my questions. this is not about osas No, I will not let it go. you accuse people and say we do not take Jesus literally. So I will prove YOU do not take jesus literally in ALL he said this is about the words of God. Your own thread here says jesus...

then your saved. and nothing you can do will ever stop that salvation. Otherwise. your still under law and not under grace. Those words of John are present tense (not past). If you right here and right now. If I right here and right now. claim to be without sin (in a present state of...

when you kill your enemy and call them heretics because they do not BELIEVE AS YOU DO when you BURN THEIR BOOKS so no one can read them, or see people believed any way other than rome then you have no authority to say no one believed anything prior. when you destroyed any evidence they did

you did not answer my question.. can you show me where Jesus (and paul) mentioned any works are required in those passages I showed. John 1: 11: 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO...

thats why I have her on ignore. and have for well over a year