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You can only relay what you have been told. Your esoteric theology belongs in Gnosticism. It is totally unbiblical. I refer you back to my avoided question.

Does you mum know you are online? If not, she should do. Time to give it a break.

It was not a vision. He was caught up in the Spirit to heaven. This was a supernatural event. It occurred with John in Revelation. These occurred 200 years ago. Why are you always trying to explain away literal things?

I don't disagree with this. If you don't stop this continuous belittling rhetoric I'm done talking to you.

Your frustration and bitterness is palpable. This is all you have now - ad hominem and insults. Your theological arguments have all been resolutely and repeatedly refuted. You are describing yourself and misrepresenting Eric again. Look in the mirror! You spent your time here avoiding the...

Where is the 3rd heaven? Stop being evasive. What are you hiding?

Genesis 2:8-9: “And the LORD God planted a garden [Gr. paradeisos] eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden [Gr...

Can you answer the question?

Where is the 3rd heaven?

You are describing your theology.

The third heaven is where God, the angels and the dead in Christ dwell. The second heaven is where the planets and stars function. The first heaven is the atmospheric heavens where birds fly.

What nonsense! Just butcher what you disagree with in Scripture and change it to what you have been taught. How handy! You can literally make the Bible say what you want.

You are incapable of discussing any clear and literal New Testament passage without explaining it away with your mistaken understanding of Zechariah 14. Your obsession with that and Revelation 20, even though neither correlate, show how bankrupt Premillennialism is. It is a non-corroborative...

So so true. Again, well put!

Very well put!

Op Note There are many deceptions outside the body of Christ, but, has there ever been a more blatant and successful deception of believers than Pretrib, which enjoys no biblical foundation? Pretribbers know they have no supporting Scripture, yet they still promote what they have been taught...

You are butchering the Word. 2+2+2=6, not 666. You have yet to answer the question. All the wicked are destroyed at Christ's return from the wrath of God. There are no survivors. Give me a rapture passage that teaches otherwise.

Show us one Scripture that teaches a rapture of the Church, followed by a 7 years tribulation period, followed by a third coming of the Lord?

So, you have nothing? We all know that. All you are left with is what man has taught you. Your posts are full of noise. No actual biblical facts.

This is all noise. Pretrib doesn't even have a proof text. Your avoidance of my simple question exposes that. No Pretribber can answer that. The doctrine is an extra-biblical Jesuit doctrine.