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Bs"d There is another thing which is very important, for Jews and for non-Jews, and that is idol worship. That is a transgression which carries upon it the death penalty. Being wrong about the messiah is not a big deal, I don't think you get whip lashes for it. But worshiping a carpenter...

Bs"d Seventh day adventist.

Bs"d You make some good points. The whole point is; first you have to be a Christian, first you have to believe in a suffering and dying messiah, who dies for the sins of all mankind, and only after you believe all that, only then can you see the messiah in Isaiah 53. But when you...

Bs"d I don't do predictions of the rabbi's, I go by the prophets of the Hebrew Bible, a.k.a the Tanach.

Bs"d If you have proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah, then please share that with me. You don't want to let your fellow man burn in hell forever and ever now, do you?

In the back of tractate Brachot of the Babylonian Talmud, on page 90-91 of the counting of the mepharshim, rabbenu Shimshon Mekutsih gives the rules according which we learn the Talmud. There is written under the heading “Hagada” (stories) “Hagada, that is all the explanation that comes in the...

Bs"d I was a Christian, until I saw the light. Then I converted to orthodox Judaism. Bs"d Do the rabbis say that Isaiah 53 is messianic? No; they do not. Christianity is unable to prove from the Biblical text of Isaiah 53 that the servant of God, whom the text describes, is a messianic...

Bs"d I take that as a "no". Anybody else maybe who can give some proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

Bs"d I take that as a "no". Anybody else maybe who can give some proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

Bs"d The above is an abbreviation of the Aramaic expression "Ba siata desmaya", and that means: "With the help of Heaven". Besiyata Dishmaya - Wikipedia How could the sin-bearer and sinner not be the same? Do you think that when you sin somebody else gets punished?? How could the...

Bs"d Can somebody give me some proof from Isaiah or from the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah? When Isaiah speaks about "the servant of God", is Isaiah then talking about God Himself or about somebody else? For proof that Isaiah 53 speaks about Israel, see here...

Bs"d Isaiah 9:2-7 "2 The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, thou hast increased its joy; they rejoice before thee as with joy at the harvest, as men rejoice when they...

Bs"d What does the NT saying that the suffering servant is the messiah have to do with me or the Tanach?

Bs"d Can you be a bit more specific? Where in the NT is that?

Bs"d Interesting. Where does He do that?

Bs"d But the Quran says the suffering servant in Isaiah is Muhammed. So if you want to prove something in the Tanach, then bring proof from the Tanach. Can you do that?

Bs"d He brought himself as the new god.

Bs"d What proof can you give that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

Bs"d Definitely not. For the finer details look here: Isaiah 53

Bs"d A "God the Father" and a "god the son" is TWO (2) gods, and that is polytheism, and that is idolatry.