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  1. Eliyahu613

    Bill Would Outlaw Talk About Jesus in Israel

    Bs"d They just don't let me. For instant the J-H-V-H witnesses, they don't believe that JC was God, but they do believe he was the messiah, they don't have to be stoned. Being wrong about the messiah is no big deal, I don't think you get whiplashes for it. However, worshiping a human...
  2. Eliyahu613

    Bill Would Outlaw Talk About Jesus in Israel

    Bs"d No, that cannot. Because billions of Christians worship him as God, and therefore he is an idol, and God made it very clear that the name of other gods cannot be mentioned.
  3. Eliyahu613

    Bill Would Outlaw Talk About Jesus in Israel

    Bs"d Jews hate idolatry. Worshiping anybody or anything besides the one and only true God Y-H-W-H is idol worship, which is a sin that carries upon it the death penalty. And this is why the name of JC cannot be spoken in Israel: "Take heed to all that I have said to you; and make no mention...
  4. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d I don't believe so much in commentators, but more in the prophets of the Tanach. And the Tanach is quite clear about the identity of the suffering servant of Isaiah 53: Isaiah 53
  5. Eliyahu613

    Bill Would Outlaw Talk About Jesus in Israel

    Bs"d Imprisonment is not a fitting punishment. The Bible proscribes the fitting punishment: "And when your brother or son or daughter, or even your dear wife or lifelong friend, comes to you in secret and whispers, “Let’s go and worship some other gods” (gods that you know nothing about...
  6. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d So you say he is ruling over Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and England? Well, that's an article of faith, not an objective fact. Anyway that is not relevant, because the messianic prophecies say that the messiah is going to rule over the whole world. And that is obviously not the case.
  7. Eliyahu613

    The messiah didn't come yet.

    Bs"d At the moment not. But when the religious people get the majority, and that will be soon, then the by God prescribed death penalties for certain sins will be reinstated again, and then some sinners will be stoned again. (with some sinners being stoned again, I don't mean that those...
  8. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d In that case, still the fact remains that he was not in male line a descendant of king David, and therefore disqualified from being the messiah.
  9. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Amen. That is obvious.
  10. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Name one country over which he reigns.
  11. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d In that case JC is not in male line a descendant of king David, and therefore he cannot be the messiah.
  12. Eliyahu613

    The messiah didn't come yet.

    Bs"d They are given by God to Israel, and written down in the first five books of the Bible.
  13. Eliyahu613

    The messiah didn't come yet.

    Bs"d It is also spelled out there in Matthew that Joseph was not his father: "18 Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah[i] took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19 Her husband...
  14. Eliyahu613

    The messiah didn't come yet.

    Bs"d By returning to God and His laws, and asking for forgiveness.
  15. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d When you call ripping verses which have no bearing on the messiah whatsoever out of context, mistranslating them, and then calling them "messianic prophecies", then they believed in more. Their believe was even so strong that they made up non-existing verses and presented them as...
  16. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d No. I don't believe it has any value as evidence. When you start ripping Tanach texts which have no bearing on the messiah out of context and start presenting them as "messianic prophecies", or "typology", then you can make anybody you want the messiah, no matter who it is. Here is...
  17. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d We were not talking about typology, we were talking about messianic prophecies. But backtracking from messianic prophecies to typology is already a major step in the right direction.
  18. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d No, I believe that all mankind will crush the heads of snakes. I know I did. It speaks about the messiah in the same way it speaks about Muhammed, David Koresh, Napoleon Bonaparte, and whoever. What it comes down to, that objectively it is not a messianic prophecy. It is just like...
  19. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Isaiah 7:14 is a text in which Isaiah gives a sign to King Achaz. This also has no bearing on the messiah. Apart from that, it claims a virgin birth, which isn't there. The NT mistranslates Isaiah 7:14, as a virgin getting pregnant, but that is nowhere to be found in that text in...