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Romans 8 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not...

I have noticed you are not reasonable about the nature of angels or the creation and the fall. Can not accept that God made everything good, yet the creations, some of them made bad choices, and disobeyed God.

You're postulating there was something before God created anything, and you're calling it the darkness. The only thing that had any 'preexistence' was God. You seem to be setting up a kind of dualism. Scripture was written for US, not God, and simply as a way to understand things, as an...

Hebrews 1 New King James Version God’s Supreme Revelation 1 God, who [a]at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [b]worlds...

That ALL things were created by God in creation, nothing was made unless God made it, including beings that became evil, like Satan All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

It makes a lot of sense, but your problem is you do not believe in fallen angels who sin. And that turns off the part of your mind to see that clearly.

Ephesians 3 Purpose of the Mystery 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the [b]fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has...

Colossians 1 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and...

Reconsider you consideration Romans 11 33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! 34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has become His counselor?” 35 “Or who has first given to Him And...

More on the elect angels What does the Bible say about elect angels? And Christians will judge angels, that would be the bad ones, Satan's angels. Paul distinguishes judging angels from the things pertaining to this life, which points out they are not human beings. 1 Cor 6 1 Corinthians 6 New...

More on the elect angels https://biblehub.com/q/what_does_the_bible_say_on_elect_angels.htm And Christians will judge angels, that would be the bad ones, Satan's angels. Paul distinguishes judging angels from the things pertaining to this life, which points out they are not human beings. 1...

Well there you go. God's angels are both holy and elect. Those non elect are not God's holy and elect angels, they are Satan's angels. When Christ returns all His holy angels are with Him, as are all His Holy people. So God, Christ, Holy Spirit, men and angels are there at the judgment...

Daniel has a heavenly messenger, an angel speaks to him. Daniel 10 4 Now on the twenty-fourth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, that is, the [c]Tigris, 5 I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, a certain man clothed in linen, whose waist was girded with gold of...

Jesus and Paul distinguish HOLY and ELECT angels out from the rest, so we know there exists a difference between angels. Matthew 25:31 The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. In...

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2%20Peter%202%3A4 The above is every version of 2 Peter 2:4 All the versions say that God cast the angels who sinned into hell or Tartarus. But some don't believe this actually happened! In my reading it is clear what is being taught here, they are in Hell...

KJV For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; AKJV For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto...

KJ21 For if God spared not the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment; ASV For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto...

Of course not. But it was the general belief of the general church for about 500 years. It is not something that is hard doctrine, but also we do not know everything do we....

Yes, I am not saying it is clearly declared in the bible The spirit returns to God who made it, maybe for the judgment and perdition of the wicked, cause after that it is permanently separated from the prescense of God, having their lot in the lake that burn with fire and brimstone, and into...

Since Satan is a celestial being, what would he be if not one of the angels though? Satan is not a man, which logically points to an angelic order. From the beginning were just God, angels and men. 1 Corinthians 4:9 For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to...