Search results

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  1. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Revelation 19:11-20:10 We now know (if we’ve been paying attention) that world history is an ongoing conflict between good and evil. But how and when will it end? It will end when the rightful King comes to claim His Kingdom (Revelation 19:11-21). This all-conquering King is none other than...
  2. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    The next section of the book is somewhat different from the preceding ones. It contrasts the destinies of two symbolic women: the “great prostitute” (Babylon) and the Bride of the Lamb (the Church). Babylon is to be found whenever and wherever the world idolises wickedness as a means to material...
  3. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Now for the seven bowls - the outpouring of God's wrath. We have had glimpses of it in the sixth seal and the sixth trumpet, but now we are given a grandstand view. Revelation 15:5-16:21 Now we are shown how the end of the world will come about - not by a chance astronomical disaster or...
  4. Deborah_

    My KJV Debate with Jeff Dollar

    I've heard this many times. It simply isn't true - as anyone who is truly familiar with the NIV will know. If the word 'fornication' has been removed it's because it's hardly used these days. The NIV is a translation into modern English, after all! Language evolves continuously, unfortunately...
  5. Deborah_

    My KJV Debate with Jeff Dollar

    But what if all the other Christians are using the NIV? Bringing out a KJV only causes confusion. Hardly anyone in the UK uses the KJV these days - I rarely see a copy.
  6. Deborah_

    Does it matter which version of the Bible you read?

    This really makes me seethe. Who reads single verses? In verse 2 - the preceding sentence! - the NIV says, "every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God." Also, surely denying that He has "come in the flesh" is a swipe at His humanity - not His deity!
  7. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Now for the remaining four visions... Revelation 14:1-15:4 There’s an alternative to the kingdom of the Beast - the Kingdom of God! The fourth vision (Revelation 14:1-5) is of Mount Zion, the New Jerusalem - which is where God’s people are assembled (Hebrews 12:22,23). The nation of Israel was...
  8. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    The second and third visions: the two beasts come onto the stage! Revelation 13 In the second vision (Revelation 13:1-10), the sea represents humanity as a whole: restless, chaotic, and unstable. Out of it, summoned by the dragon, comes a massive and terrifying Beast, like the four beasts of...
  9. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    I think I see the problem: we're not on the same page at all. You seem to regard the opening of the seals as literal events taking place in a particular location (heaven) at particular points in time. I see them as pictorial metaphors; it's a vision, not a documentary.
  10. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Now we come to the first of a series of 7 visions. If there is an overall theme, it seems to be the conflict between God and Satan that rumbles through the universe - and the choice that we have to make between them. Revelation 11:19-12:17 In Israel’s religious calendar, the Feast of Trumpets...
  11. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Perhaps it depends on whether you link Christ's coming with the day of wrath.
  12. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Revelation 10 & 11 Between the sixth and seventh trumpets (as between the sixth and seventh seals) there are two other visions showing the same situation from the point of view of God's people. Disasters and calamities are a rather crude means of communication; but God also speaks verbally...
  13. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    I have to disagree with you there. What's the point of issuing warnings after the Day of God's wrath in seal 6?
  14. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Now we come to the trumpets. They are being sounded while the events of the seals are taking place. Revelation 8:2-9:21 Trumpets signal war and judgement. Those who hear them have the opportunity to decide whether to surrender - or resist. But before judgement is declared, Heaven pauses - in...
  15. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Revelation 6:1-8:1 When Jesus went to Nazareth and read from the scroll of Isaiah in the synagogue, He was fulfilling the words of the prophet even as He spoke them (Luke 4:21). In a similar way, as He opens and reads this heavenly scroll (which contains God’s purposes for the ‘last days’, the...
  16. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    No-one knows for certain. Whatever explanation works for you...
  17. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    Revelation 4 & 5 These two chapters form an extended introduction to the first main vision (the seven seals), and also set the scene for the whole of the remainder of the book. John is no longer on earth; in his vision he has been transported into heaven (Revelation 4:1), from where he can see...
  18. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    When you point the finger... Your one and only piece of evidence for Revelation not being written in the 90s AD seems to be one report that John was incapable of writing it or even dictating it in 96AD. His capability (or lack of it) in 91, 92, 93 or 94 is unattested. So a date in the early 90s...
  19. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    The order of the churches is the order in which the letter would reach them if the messenger started at Ephesus (the main port). Whether or not it also 'fits' church history depends on your reading of church history, and church history varies immensely from one geographical region to another...
  20. Deborah_

    Unravelling Revelation

    No dates are known with absolute certainty. 60 years after the resurrection would be around 90 AD - 6 years before this report. There was nothing to stop John having dictated it, say 3-5 years earlier - in fact, that would have been the normal practice at the time, when few people did enough...