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  1. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    So then you agree that the body is not always physical? Cause earlier you said the body is still physical. Now you're admitting that there is a spiritual body? So now we agree that there is no spirit inside of you? I thought all along you were trying to convince me that there's a spirit...
  2. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    I believe our physical body is replaced by a spiritual body. The physical stays in the ground, and our consciousness is transferred to a brand new spiritual body. As you say, the two bodies are not the same. There is a physical body and a spiritual body, but the way I understand it, we have...
  3. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    And yet it's not clear to me.
  4. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    Ah, so we agree. I thought you believed that these physical bodies would be resurrected. Did I misunderstand you all along?
  5. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    You say the spirit was "on over the physical body", but the Bible doesn't say that. That's your way of explaining what happened, but if the Bible doesn't actually say that, then you can't be sure. And besides, why do we call it the "transfiguration" if he, as you say, he was merely robed?
  6. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    You say a body is still physical, but Paul said there are two kinds of bodies. A physical body and a spiritual body. You say the physical does not stop, but God said to dust you will return. You say that is why the soul has both a body and spirit, but you're not providing any evidence of...
  7. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    You are equating spirit and breath. I think the word used in Genesis 2:7 can mean either spirit or breath. You think the word means both at the same time. That's where our logics diverge. This question is not very compelling at all. I don't think bringing believers back with Christ...
  8. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    I agree that we are raised a spiritual body when our body dies, which is what I've been arguing all along, and which is what Paul told us 1 Corinthians 15. However, Paul never said that our spirit will be rejoined with our body, nor have you provided any evidence to support that theory. You...
  9. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    And you did not address my point, that all the physical types of the old testament are replaced by spiritual types in the new. So why then would our old physical bodies not be replaced by spiritual bodies? It makes so much sense.
  10. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    It's so weird to see that all your scriptural quotes support my position, but you think they somehow support your position. Paul is clearly saying that our physical body is not resurrected. You even quoted it. "It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural...
  11. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    o.k. I think I understand you better now. You believe that we need our old physical body to be revived in order to live on the physical earth, and primarily this makes sense to you because God created us as physical beings in the first place. Yet at the same time, you believe that we are alive...
  12. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    "At death only the body dies but the other two live on". This makes no sense on so many levels. 1. What are you? Are you a body, or a spirit or a soul? If you're a spirit, then when the body dies YOU do not die because the body is only a vessel, because you are a spirit. If you're all...
  13. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    You seem to be contradicting yourself. You say "when we are in Christ we have eternal spirit that shall never die". That's literally the same as saying we have eternal spiritual life, yet you're adamant that you "NEVER" said we already have immortal spiritual life. But I'm going to assume...
  14. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    But don't you believe that, before Jesus, those who died went to heaven in spirit form? Now you seem to be contradicting that, because if you go to heaven, you have life. So which is it? Did the people actually die (as I believe) or did they go to heaven? I know what you're thinking. You're...
  15. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    Based on what? Is that based on scripture? Or your imagination? Does scripture tell you that immortality is for physical life? If so, you should be able to show me that. Or are you just arguing for this because this is what you've always believed, and you're not even sure why you've always...
  16. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    Why would we want immortal physical life, if we already have immortal spiritual life? Seriously, what's the point? Life is life. We either have eternal life, or we don't. If we already have it, then we're done. We've received our reward. Why would "our body too" need to be resurrected? I...
  17. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    Again, what would be the point of returning to our old physical bodies if we're already immortal spirits? I'm not sure why y'all are so hung up on these physical bodies.
  18. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    Think about what you're saying here, because it makes no sense. If we already have immortal spiritual bodies, why would we want immortal physical bodies? Answer: we wouldn't. There would be no point. How can you say that after we are already living as immortal spirits, that for some reason...
  19. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    I'm not sure how you think this answer the question, so let me ask it again (although it is somewhat of a rhetorical question because the answer is obvious). If people already had eternal life before Jesus, then what was the point of Jesus' sacrifice? Answer: There would not have been any...
  20. Freedm

    Will Trump seek asylum in Israel and Build the 3rd Temple?

    It seems pretty clear to me. When your physical body dies, you are resurrected in a spiritual body. You have one at a time, not both at the same time.