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Exactly. And also Thiers to reject. Even if they were truly saved. The only other option is a world without Free will and that's not in scripture.

I already answered that.

Jesus disagrees with kermos. "And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

There's lots of people who have made that transition. It's not easy to understand why, but I'm convinced that the devil has something to do with it. It's probably a series of little unbeliefs that eventually add up to realizing that they have lost faith completely.

Many people have been broken by what they believe is God or his people. It's easy to lose faith in this situation. God didn't fail us but it feels that way sometimes if we are honest.

You are adding your presuppositions to the verse.

Correct, every person now has that option.

Now you are jumping to another form of death, not physical death. Why don't you stick to your topics? I understand that we die to be born again in a spiritual sense. That wasn't what you were talking about before. We are to die daily in a spiritual sense. But our salvation doesn't depend on...

So yt are proposing two different forms of salvation? That's a new one!

No. And he doesn't force me to remain in him either.

We should say "I believe, help my unbelief." Because we know we are all capable of unbelief.

So now no one is saved until they die? I am currently at this moment saved. It doesn't start at death, that's just a door into a different sort of existence.

Exactly. "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" We see it All the time.

Now you are judging my salvation status?

Christ died for all. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people. But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with...

I agree it's God's power. But, if you don't rely on God's power but your own work to keep you saved you will fall.

What? We all know people who were once saved and aren't now.

Nonsense. It's a gift that must be accepted. And any gift can be given back unless you believe in the Calvinists nonsense.

Seriously? You cannot truly believe and not receive salvation. It's impossible. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.

You mean the Catholics? The baptist's are pretty large.