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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Behold, To be born again happens by the work of Christ. This requires Christ to give a person the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, followed by judgment. Christ is the Savior and He is the only one who can do this work - and He is also the one who decides WHEN it will be done for a...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Kabone, You asked: Satan can over power what Christ has done? The Early Rain of the Spirit is given in a small measure. It does not come with "power". Only the Latter Rain comes with power and strength: Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Kabone, Simple yes or no responses would not be adequate but I will try to keep my answers short. If I declare that Jesus is my creator, the one true god, and my savior, does that mean I have received the early rain? Yes, if you truly mean it from your heart - because no man can call...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, Scripture is written in the spiritual language of Christ and the His words carry meanings that are different than what man's wisdom teaches. 1Cor 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, That's because you are reading the wrong translations. The Greek word "aion" means an "age" of time. But most translations incorrectly translate it has meaning "world" or "forever". Only a few times will they correctly translate it as "age". From what I can see, most...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, The "ages" were created by God for Christ to create new children for God. Christ is only doing His work within the time frame of the ages. When the ages end, Christ will deliver up the Kingdom of Heaven to the Father. At that time, Christ's reign will end, along with the ages...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, You said: The Holy Spirit is ONLY GIVEN to SEAL us unto the day of redemption. Jesus Himself IS the "latter rain". Yes, Jesus is the Latter Rain but He is also the Early Rain. Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, I've explained the problem with your understanding of "foreknowledge" before, but I will try again. What you are saying is that since Christ has the foreknowledge of who is going to make a "choice" for Him and who isn't, Christ turns around and uses that information to claim...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, You believe that it is up to mankind to decide if they are going to accept Christ and be saved. Therefore, you believe that all mankind has an "opportunity" to be saved in this age. This false belief is founded upon man's works and is what Satan's false gospel teaches. It is...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain (Early Rain), and to the great rain (Latter Rain) of his strength. Now take a look at what the story of the "Two Witnesses" teaches. The Two Witnesses represent each Elect believer of this...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, I explained that to you already. The spirit of anti-Christ enters a believer after they have received the Early Rain of the Spirit. Christ removes the spirit of anti-Christ when He gives the fallen away believer the Latter Rain. The Latter Rain comes with power and strength...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Brakelite, If a believer has not seen the Abomination of Desolation that occurred within themselves, they are still spiritually blind and unconverted. Everyone will experience the "day of evil" to humble them. It is only when a person comes out from being deceived that they can they know...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, There are no scriptures which support your comments. Absolutely zero. Faith is given to a person by Christ when He gives them the indwelling of the Early Rain of the Spirit. Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, The OT faithful were given the Early Rain of the Spirit which gave them their faith. It was their faith that justified them. The Old Covenant had nothing to do with it and does not apply to them. Upon their resurrection from the grave, Christ will come to the OT faithful and...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, You are confusing the attributes of the Early Rain of the Spirit with the attributes of the Latter Rain of the Spirit. Those two Rains are different and need to be rightly divided. Also, there are no scriptures which teach that the Early Rain of the Spirit only temporarily...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Earburner, Some of what you stated is true but you are still misunderstanding the Early Rain of the Spirit and what it does for a person. The OT faithful received the Early Rain of the Spirit and that is what gave them their faith. They all "died in faith" because the Spirit never left...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Brakelite, That scripture (Rom 3:10) most certainly applied to me before my conversion. After Christ healed my spiritual blindness so that I could "see" the truth for the first time, I was very humbled. I now depend on the Lord for everything in my life. He truly directs my steps and He...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Brakelite, God gave it to him, but not only to him, God gives it to all new believers (babes who suck milk) when they first begin traveling the pathway to salvation. The pathway to salvation begins for a person when Christ gives them the Early Rain of the Spirit. But because the Early...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Brakelite, Mankind has no ability "to open the free gift" of salvation. They also have no ability to ask Christ for it and they have no ability to reject the gift when Christ gives it to them. Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that...
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    Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

    Dear Brakelite, The only one who has a free will ability is God the Father. Mankind has no such ability. Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way? Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it...