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    Another question for mormons.

    Additional Historical sources: Now, to specifics, the evidence for the early existence of the Johannine Comma is found in the following sources (some abbreviations are made when quoting the source - if there are questions, I can give the specifics): 1) 200 - Tertullian quotes the verse (Gill...
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    Another question for mormons.

    Additional Historical sources: Having already briefly commented on just a few of the problems with the "Westcott and Hort Methodology", I should now take this opportunity to present the alternative to their errant theories, and then apply this alternative to the Johannine Comma. ("Commata" were...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Meaningful evidence: What does 1 John 5:7 KJB, actually mean in context? Christ Jesus, the Son, was sent of the Father to witness and testify of the Love and character of God the Father: John 14:7 KJB - If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Meaningful evidence: What does 1 John 5:7 KJB, actually mean in context? Romans 12:16 KJB - Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Romans 15:6 KJB - That ye may with one mind and one mouth...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Meaningful evidence: What does 1 John 5:7 KJB, actually mean in context? They, which are entered into the marriage covenant, are to be one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. This is how Jesus Christ even spoke of Himself and the Father, along with Himself and the...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Meaningful evidence: What does 1 John 5:7 KJB, actually mean in context? Now, consider the definition of “one” in regards God, the disciples, marriage, covenant and atonement: Deuteronomy 6:4 KJB - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Deuteronomy 6:4 HOT [read from Right to...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Meaningful evidence: What does 1 John 5:7 KJB, actually mean in context? Hosea 1:4 KJB - And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Meaningful evidence: What does 1 John 5:7 KJB, actually mean in context? [Jesus, the LORD [JEHOVAH Jesus, JEHOVAH E/Immanuel] who came down with the two covering cherubs, the two angels that are beside the LORD, is standing upon the earth [Genesis 18-19, especially 18:25 “Judge of all the...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Meaningful evidence: What does 1 John 5:7 KJB, actually mean in context? Every person who believes what the scriptures [KJB] teach, believes in the Deity and eternality of the person/being of the Father, the person/being of the Son [Jesus] and the person/being of the Holy Spirit. Those...
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    The Historical evidence: Jeffrey Khoo observes further: “Yale professor Roland Bainton, another Erasmian expert, agrees with de Jonge, furnishing proof from Erasmus’ own writing that Erasmus’ inclusion of 1 John 5:7f was not due to a so-called ‘promise’ but the fact that he believed ‘the verse...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Historical evidence: Semler himself published an attack upon 1 John 5:7 entitled, Historical and Critical Collections, relative to what are called the proof passages in dogmatic theology, Vol. I. on 1 John v. 7. Prominent Unitarian leader Joseph Priestly attempted to publish a new English...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Historical evidence: THE ARGUMENT FROM THE NATURE OF TRUE CHRISTIANITY. Some textual critics believe the Johannine Comma entered the manuscript record accidentally from a marginal note, but I do not consider this likely. It is much more likely that one of two things has occurred in regard...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Historical evidence: 1 John 5:7 was in the Latin “vulgate” that had a wide influence throughout the Dark Ages. The Catholic Church used it, but so did many non-Catholic believers. Bruce Metzger observes that the oldest manuscript of the Jerome vulgate, Codex Fuldensis (A.D. 546), does not...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Historical evidence: In the Glossa Ordinaria of Walafrid Strabo (9th century), “a work universally approved, we see the passages of the three Witnesses in Heaven, both in the text and the commentary” (Twells, II, p. 138). “Lastly, we find no one Latin writer complaining of this passage...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Historical evidence: Eucherius of Lyons (434 A.D.) -- “... in a tract, called Formulae Spiritualis Intelligentiae, c. 11, para. 3, 4. sets down both the seventh and eighth verses of the fifth chapter of St. John’s first epistle, in the same order as our printed editions have them...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Historical evidence: THE ARGUMENT FROM THE WRITINGS OF ANCIENT CHURCH LEADERS. Following are some quotations that refer to the Johannine Comma from church writings dating to the first eight centuries of the church age: Tertullian (c. 200 A.D.) -- “The connection of the Father in the Son...
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    Another question for mormons.

    The Historical evidence: It is probable that some of this evidence has been lost. Consider the following important statements: “Erasmus, in his Notes on the place, owns that the Spanish Edition took it from a Vatican MS, and Father Amelote, in his Notes on his own Version of the Greek...
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    The Historical evidence: Consider, too, THE ARGUMENT FROM THE PURPOSE OF JOHN’S WRITINGS AND OF THE NATURE OF THOSE TIMES. “Regarding the issue at hand, such a distinct literary/historical coherence fully supports the inclusion of the Johannine Comma. The resounding theme of the Gospel of John...
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    The Historical evidence: The following is cited in detail as it represents the great detailed historical accounting - A Defense of 1 John 5:7 "... Excerpted from the book THE BIBLE VERSION QUESTION-ANSWER DATABASE available at www.wayoflife.org. See end of report for details. ________ 1 John...
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    The Historical evidence: It is clear that Gregory recognized the inconsistency with Greek grammar if all we have are verses six and eight without verse seven. Other scholars have recognized the same thing. This was the argument of Robert Dabney of Union Theological Seminary in his book, The...