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    Is 1 Thes 4:17 the same event as Rev 1:7 and Matt 24:27?

    ............................... Instead of using a translation which does not use quotation marks and then adding your own quotation marks, try using a modern translation which uses quotation marks. Like the NASB: 6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be...
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    Why does Paul make statements that sound a lot like salvation is at least partially by works?

    James 2:29: For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. - ESV. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. - KJV. For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. - NASB. For...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    More insults and misinformation. Not a proper discussion of John 1:1c or Colwell's published theory (or Harner's). So continue your Christian insults and misinformation. I'm through with you.
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    Explaining the Trinity

    Part 5 Punctuation of Luke 23:43 Mantey says, "Why the attempt to deliberately deceive people by mispunctuation by placing a comma after "today" in Luke 23:43 when in the Greek, Latin, German and all English translations except yours, even in the Greek in your KIT, the comma occurs after lego...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    Part 4 Mantey next berates the NWT’s “mistranslating arche tes ktisoos” as “beginning of the creation” at Rev. 3:14 even though this is the literal rendering of the NT Greek. But how do most trinitarian Bible translations themselves translate Rev. 3:14 ? - The KJV has “beginning of the...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    Part 3 - Mantey next attacks “the addition of ‘for all time’ in Heb. 9:27 when nothing in the Greek New Testament supports it.” But the equally rabid trinitarian scholar, W. E. Vine, says (of the NT Greek word hapax that was translated “once for all time” by the NWT) in his An Expository...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    Others who also translate John 18:37b as 'a king': AKJV; ASV; AMP; AMPC; AT; BECK; BRG; CSB; CEB; CEV; CJB; DARBY; DRA; EHV; ERV; ESV; EXB; GNT; GNV; GW; HCSB; ICB; ISV; JB; JUB; KJV; KJ21; LEB; MEV; MLB; MOUNCE; NAB; NABRE; NASB; NCV; NET; NIRV; NIV; NJB; NKJV; NLT; NLV; NMB; NOG; NRSV...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    @Kermos #230: Part 1 - Colwell and Harner both used improper examples (usually non-count nouns or, more often, 'prepositional' examples) which are explained by the noted trinitarian Greek Grammarians which I have already cited for you in post #225. The fact that the so-called 'Qualitative'...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    T2 @ Kermos #225: "Would you like to discuss John 1:1c?" Kermos' response: #226. Quick inaccurate dismissal followed by lengthy diatribe about NWT and JWs. I guess that means 'no.'
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    Explaining the Trinity

    Kermos posted: 'Exceptions to the anathrous rule for the count noun exist in which a count noun using the definite article the/ho or the predicate noun is a qualitative noun. For example, Joshua 2:11 in the Septuagint contains "theos" (God) rather than "ho theos" (the God) for reference YHWH...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    CoreIssue: ..................................... Many trinitarian apologists will tell us that the Hebrew word for God (Elohim) is plural because it shows that God is a trinity. For example, "Among Trinitarian Christian writers it is [often] seen as evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity, a...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    So 'God' (masculine Gender in both Hebrew and NT Greek as are 'Father,' and 'Son') is to be applied to the HS (feminine gender - often also understood as neuter - in Hebrew and neuter gender in NT Greek).
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    Explaining the Trinity

    Young’s Analytical Concordance of the Bible, Eerdmans, 1978 Reprint, “Hints and Helps to Bible Interpretation”: “65. GOD - is used of any one (professedly) MIGHTY, whether truly so or not, and is applied not only to the true God, but to false gods, magistrates, judges, angels, prophets, etc...
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    Explaining the Trinity

    Either can be correct depending on which meaning one has of 'spirit' in this verse. If you think Jesus is referring to a spirit person, then the rule for NT Greek count nouns would make the verse say "God is a spirit." (KJV) If you think 'spirit' is an abstract word, or a word meaning...
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    Trinity vs. Tritheism: Understanding the Trinity.

    ..................................... The Son has never been the Father. He prayed to the Father while on earth and ascended to the Father after resurrection. Personal names in the ancient Hebrew and Greek are often somewhat cryptic to us today. The English Bible translator must fill in the...
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    Did you ever wonder who...

    Copies of the very few remaining manuscripts of the early Church Fathers were copied, for the most part, many hundreds of years after the originals were written. As is noted by most publishers of the best extant versions, copyists took great advantages of this material, often adding or changing...
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    Did you ever wonder who...

    From the Catholic Encyclopedia (on New Advent): CATHOLIC The word Catholic (katholikos from katholou — [meaning] throughout the whole, i.e., universal) occurs in the Greek classics, e.g., in Aristotle and Polybius, and was freely used by the earlier Christian writers in what we may call its...
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    Is the Psalm 83 War about to Start??

    Let's not forget the end of this Psalm: 17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
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    Interesting Read on Bible Versions

    Very few trinitarian-translated Bibles render harpagmos correctly at Phil. 2:6 1. “He did not think to snatch at [harpagmos, ἁρπαγμὸς] equality with God” - NEB. 2. “He did not think that by force [harpagmos] he should try to become equal with God” - TEV (and GNB). 3. - He existed in the...
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    Interesting Read on Bible Versions

    CoreIssue, I certainly don't disagree that most trinitarian-translated Bibles translate with a trinitarian bias. It would be unnatural to expect otherwise. However, when we look at the NT Greek words in question, even trinitarian scholars often disagree with such translations. Although it has...