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    Are only 144,000 saved? (Rev 14:1)

    Dear PinSeeker, You said: The numbers are symbolic... Yes, the numbers in Revelation are symbolic. They are spiritual symbols and are not literal numbers. Spiritual symbols have meanings which are different than what man's wisdom teaches (1Cor 2:13). They cannot be properly understood...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear Patrick1966, There are no churches which are not apostate so I do not attend any churches and I haven't since 2005. Right now, I teach only on forums and from my website. As I have said though, I have been banned from all the forums that I have joined over the years except for this...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear Patrick1966, Here is when Paul says the last of mankind will be saved: 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the CONSUMMATION, when he...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear Patrick1966, The new thread is in the theology forum near the bottom. It is entitled "How Christ begins the conversion process of His Elect". Just a warning, my testimony may be a little difficult for you to receive. Please don't read into it things that aren't there. As for your...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear Patrick1966, I started a new thread and tagged you and St. SteVen (I think). After looking at the new thread, I could not see anything at the bottom of it to show that you and St. SteVen were tagged. Please let me know if the tagging worked. Joe
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    How Christ begins the conversion process of His Elect

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST... Over the next few weeks, Julie and I studied scripture every day and learned many new truths. When we decided to share those new truths with our friends at church, they could not accept any of them. As a result, we quickly left the church and never returned. In...
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    How Christ begins the conversion process of His Elect

    Dear All, This scripture below is a teaching on how Christ begins the conversion process of one of His Elect: Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear Patrick1966, Okay. I will start a thread and tag you. Joe
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear Patrick1966, You are referring to this scripture: Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear St. SteVen, Thanks for the additional info on "aionios". The comments you made above are the same comments have I have made many times when talking about "for ever and ever". That phrase makes no sense because "for ever" cannot be increased by adding another "ever". That is just more...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear SteVen, More on scripture translations. I just realized the probable reason for your question. It relates to this verse I quoted: Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear SteVen, I mostly use the KJV but sometimes Darby and YLT. The KJV is generally very good but its grammar is out of date. The main flaw (not the only one) with the KJV is how it translates "aion" and "aionios". They should be translated as "age" and "age-during" and never as "for ever"...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    CONTINUED FROM THE PREVIOUS POST... To make Christ's pathway "straight" for Christ to come to an Elect believer, Christ will send a person to them in the spirit of Elijah (just as He sent John the Baptist to the Jewish Elect). Christ will then cause the Elect believer to "repent" of their...
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    The Will of Man - Excerpt from J. Preston Eby

    Dear St. SteVen, This verse below testifies to the truth that mankind cannot accept Jesus as their Lord UNTIL Christ comes to a person and gives them the Early Rain. 1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man...
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    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Dear St. SteVen, I do not teach the "Latter Rain Movement". Like the Second Coming of Christ, the Early and Latter Rain is a greatly misunderstood teaching in scripture. Please see my post to L3astAmManyB13ssd above which will explain my understanding of the Early and Latter Rain. Joe
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    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Dear L3astAmManyB13ssd: I have written a great deal about the Early and Latter Rain in other threads. It is one of my favorite teachings of scripture. It is also a subject which is taught frequently in scripture, however, most times it does not use the terms Early and Latter Rain. James...
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    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Dear Patrick1966, Satan masquerades as Christ and from this deception, Satan has devoured the church. Satan accomplishes this deception through the spirit of anti-Christ and his ministers in the apostate church. 2Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of...
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    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST... Also, all the Elect will "live" by the words of 2Cor 11:4 and will become "worse than the first" just has Christ taught in Mat 12:43-45. This verse applies: Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word...
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    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Dear Patrick1966, Yes, there most certainly is a scriptural reason which explains why "called out" believers cannot understand God's Word. Here is what God's Word says: Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk...
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    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Dear Patrick1966, Yes, Christ has a "plan" that He follows which will draw all mankind to Him. This plan does have a few "devices" which He uses. In this age, the pathway to salvation for the Elect is as follows: The receiving of the Early Rain of the Spirit and entering the church. The...