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    'from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.' Meaning this includes everywhere the elect might be, whether on earth or in heaven. Jesus tells his people who are on earth to 'look up', they are on the earth witnessing these things happening. God's deliverance will come for...
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    Revelation 6:17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Romans 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus...
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    Another truth here is that from seal 1 to seal 6 of Revelation 6, the church is present on the earth, as the church is elect unto salvation Which also proves there is not a pre-trib rapture. The elect of the church are there on earth until the return of Christ. That all the mighty men and all...
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    Heaven and earth is passing away at the 6th seal, as Jesus is returning And this also fits with 2 Peter 3 on the Day of the Lord, the heavens and earth pass away. It is recorded in the gospels. that this is the second coming. Revelation 6 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and...
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    It really puts major holes in a lot of strange doctrines about the end. And then this too, the 'Old Testament Christians' all love to keep on with the Law and the Prophets, but they are over, as Christ fulfilled all the Law and the Prophets for righteousness. And of the OC, because it required...
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    Funny how several very important scriptural teachings about the end simply get glossed over and ignored, like 2 Thess 1. You never hear about them from any but a few people
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    The major problem is what you are saying about the end. I can make logical connections in scripture, Jesus says He raises the dead on the Last Day (1 Thess 4, etc...), as is also the judgement of the living and the dead on the last day. Jesus comes as a thief in the night. And we KNOW from 2...
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    He only comes a second time, that is obviously the apostle's doctrine. Any other comings people might think up are just not written as such in scripture, so they do not count. Specifically, that second time is also called His appearing, as does Peter in saying God will send Christ whom heaven...
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    When Christ returns, like as at the 6th seal describes is the sudden destruction of this world The Day of the Lord 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth...
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    Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances Rev 6 12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and [g]behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [h]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it...
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    https://biblehub.com/john/6-40.htm and I will raise him up at the last day. The promise of resurrection is a cornerstone of Christian hope. Jesus assures believers of their future resurrection, which is a physical and bodily resurrection at the end of the age. This promise is reiterated in...
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    By what you are saying you do not agree with Christ's words. The resurrection is at the Last Day You're just making up stories then. Why should you even believe your own words? John 6:39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should...
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    When Christ returns is the LAST DAY It is also the resurrection of all people saved or unsaved and the judgement His appearing is the return of Christ when every eye will see Him. Example I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead...
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    Paul specifically wrote 1 Thess 4 to emphasize that no one of the saints is left behind, we who are left alive do not precede those who died in the Lord, the dead are not forgotten. The dead in Christ will rise first, as they are dead, this must be their resurrection. Then we will be taken up...
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    You writing out impossible things here, Why don't you face your error from post #590, as I pointed out to the forum participants. The resurrection is when the dead in Christ rise first, and that is on the last day. So there can be no more days left for this world after the coming of the Lord...
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    The dead in Christ rise on the LAST DAY So, can not be any more days after the last day for this world, can you see the connection? Can not be a another gathering after the last day. Think about it. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes...
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    Was responding to rebuilder. However, since the gathering Jesus describes is after the tribulation of those days, and is of the elect, then you can know the classic rapture theme of 1 Thess 4 is the same even as described in Matt 24, and Mark 13 And is on the LAST DAY. The LAST DAY is the...
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    You want to read about the gathering? And it is the gathering of the elect saints, as in people for Matthew 24 and Mark 13 'even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.' (the dead saints in Christ, living in heaven) 'then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together...
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    Both Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are the same gathering, and it is not just those in heaven, it includes those on earth You have missed the mark here, by saying this is only a heavenly gathering. You are proven to be in error. All the elect in heaven and on earth are gathered together at Christ's...
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    The church was not an afterthought. Everything that occurred was by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God. And that includes our particular salvation.