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  1. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    It's really easy for me to see that you're taking this Scripture out of the context of the resurrection. I told you I'm not going to agree with that and I don't care what anyone thinks about it. You don't take scriptures out of context. At 1Thessalonians 4:13,14 Paul is talking about those who...
  2. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    Why, because you and others are infallible all-knowing beings who could never be wrong about what you say is the truth in the scriptures at 1Thessalonians 4:13-17. I certainly agree that anyone has the right to believe what you think the truth is in the scriptures at 1Thessalonians4:13-17 and...
  3. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    The watchtower society didn't inspire 1Thessaloians 4:13-17 in which God inspired the Apostle Paul to write of the resurrection of the dead. Paul was not inspired to write about someone who doesn't die, but all of sudden disappears off the planet because they're changed without dying. Someone...
  4. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Do You Define Death?

    What you choose to believe is your choice. Like I say to those who disagree with me, we should agree to disagree
  5. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Do You Define Death?

    Jesus knew the Pharisees were there he had said some things before talking about Lazarus and the rich man and the Pharisees were sneering at him because they knew Jesus was talking about them.Luke16:14 Then Jesus started talking to them and about them from Luke 16:15-31. So I find it interesting...
  6. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Is pre-tribulation rapture a doctrine of demons?

    There is no rapture at all, in the scriptures. There is a resurrection of those who are the anointed who have the heavenly calling who are righteous and have died. These Christians who have died and are the heavenly calling, will be resurrected first. 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 There are those who...
  7. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Do You Define Death?

    I know Jesus told the story. Are you forgetting that the scriptures said that when Jesus talked to crowds of Jews he talked in illustrations. Matthew 13:34 says: Jesus spoke to the crowds by illustrations. Indeed, without an illustration he would not speak to them.” Luke 16:19-31 are the...
  8. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Do You Define Death?

    I know you believe it to be true, I never said you didn't believe it to be true. I also know from the scriptures that a man who was Saul of Tarus who became the Apostle Paul that he believed that the Christians were as the Pharisees said they were, criminals, law breakers, who should be brought...
  9. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Do You Define Death?

    Actually I believe that's not true about Hades having two sides to it. I believe that people who don't believe humans are souls but instead they believe humans have souls, look at the parable of the rich man and Lazarus as a literal historical event that actually happened. But when Jesus told...
  10. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Do You Define Death?

    From the time of Jesus sacrifice and resurrection and he had gone into heaven, those who were christians and unbelievers went to Hades when they died, waiting for a resurrection. The scriptures tell us that the christians will be resurrected out of Hades first.
  11. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Do You Define Death?

    I disagree. The Hebrew scriptures or old testament say that both righteous and unrighteous go to Sheol when they died. Also after Jesus sacrifice and resurrection and he had gone to heaven the scriptures tell us that those who were Christian and died went to Hades and so did those who were...
  12. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    Kiethr said: There have been more than 144,000 baptised Christians during the last 1990 years. You seem to be implying that only 144,000 of the millions (or billions) of Christians "will also be part of his resurrection" (Rom 6:5), and the majority will be resurrected as humans, but Romans 6:3-5...
  13. BARNEY BRIGHT

    Rapture vs. Second Coming

    Jesus second presence is an invisible presence. The eyes in this Scripture mean discerning or symbolic eyes. Those who pierced him, the Roman soldiers have been dead for centuries. At John 14:19 Jesus said that the world wouldn't see him no more. When I read the scriptures concerning his...
  14. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    I disagree that, "the redeemed Christians could live forever as humans," that's not true. It's true that because they're the chosen or elect meaning they're the 144000 they sacrifice there human lives and will no more be humans after their resurrection because when resurrected from the dead they...
  15. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    There are Christians that are Jews and Gentiles who are the anointed, which means God chose these to be his Spiritual sons.These are those who are the elect and will be kings, and priests with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom that Jesus is king of, they will number 144000.These who are...
  16. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    i disagree that the 144000 are all jewish, the 144000 is an international church with Jews and Gentiles. Also the sealing of this 144000 began at Pentecost 33 C.E. when the first Jewish Christians were anointed with holy spirit. Later, God proceeded to call out and anoint “people of the...
  17. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    keithr said: I think that interpretation of who the 144,000 are is incorrect. Note that they are not said to be in heaven, they are on the earth. They are on the earth when they sealed (Rev 7:1-4), and also they're on the earth when Jesus is with them on Mount Zion (Rev 14:1). To understand who...
  18. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    kcnalp said Interesting how JW's don't believe in Hell unless it's someone they want to go to Hell. lol I didn't say you were going to hell when you quoted Revelations 21:8 in post # 115. After you quoted Revelation 22:8 I said that's where a liar like you would be. The lake of fire isn't...
  19. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    Hey if you want to site what you believe to be lies that's fine with me. I however don't need to site lies when I know you're texting lies. You think I need to prove something like that to you when those lies have already been text by you. Also you're not going to agree with anybody if someone...
  20. BARNEY BRIGHT

    How Could Have Satan Sinned?

    kcnalp said: Revelation 21:8 (NKJV) 8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Yes that's where a liar like you will be.