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  1. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    By you choosing to make "Samuel" the Samuel of Scripture, you are calling Job and Solomon liars. Both said dead Samuel cannot return to the living, nor have anything to do with anything under the sun.
  2. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    What? No, what I'm doing is establishing a Biblical basis for interpretation which the entire Christian world almost seems to want to ignore...GENESIS 2:7 KJV. Of course...which is precisely why we read the ALL the verses that have impact on a subject. Doing so leads to only one conclusion...
  3. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Sure, they died spiritually, but what else happened that day which prevented the immediate physical death sentence of Adam and Eve? Can you think of anything? Hint: IT'S THE FOUNDATION OF THE GOSPEL ;)
  4. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    If all those verses which say the dead know not, feel not, praise not, plan not, remember not, and don't have anything to do with anything under the sun...refer to the body alone, then God must think we're braindead stupid. What person who looks at a dead body doesn't immediately know there's...
  5. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    At the very heart of Calvinism is the idea that man has no free will choice ability. Not sure what brand you subscribe to, but I've never heard of it.
  6. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Nobody gets paid to choose to do a job. They get paid to DO the job. In the same way, our choice to surrender our will to God's will is as unprofitable as when a man chooses to accept clients for business, but doesn't get paid until he actually does something for them.
  7. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Well, look here: the HEBREW word for "thoughts": עֶשְׁתֹּנָה ʻeshtônâh, esh-to-naw'; from H6245; thinking:—thought. Well, look at that! The word means "thoughts". His "thoughts" perish...he CEASES TO THINK. When a person dies, he ceases to think, feel, know, plan, praise God, return to his...
  8. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Job told the truth when he said the dead "return no more to his house". Therefore, the spirit which appeared to Saul could never have been Samuel.
  9. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Did I share with you how Tyndale rebuked Catholic Sir Thomas Moore for using this very same argument you're using? Look, I'm sure you've put in some serious study, but let's lay aside the 21st century "wisdom" of false pulpit prophets who got one hand on the Bible and the other on a porn app...
  10. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    There are two options to consider: 1) The Bible calls the spirit "Samuel" because it was indeed Samuel. 2) The Bible calls the spirit "Samuel" because it was a familiar spirit impersonating Samuel. Now, let's ask Job and Solomon what they think about dead people: "Till the heavens be no more...
  11. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    OK, I'm going to hold your feet to the fire, friend ;) Let's lay aside all preconceived notions for a moment and focus on Genesis 2:7 KJV, shall we? This verse teaches the Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life. If you hadn't read a single...
  12. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Thanks, but I think it's the Immortal Soul crowd that willingly ignores these same texts, usually by reason that somehow the NT is more authoritative than the OT. For instance, Psalms 146:4 KJV says of a dead man: "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts...
  13. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Let's make sure we properly define our terms: Death means "separation from God" only in the present: "She that liveth in pleasure IS dead while she liveth". Death means "cessation of life" when our lives come to an end at some point in the future: "The Soul that sinneth, it SHALL die". Again...
  14. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Calvinists immediately recognize that the immeasurable value of a life saving kidney is not any good to the man who chooses not to undergo transplant surgery...but are horrified at the notion the Infinite Sacrifice of Jesus is as equally useless to the man who chooses not to accept it? What...
  15. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    Well, you got me LOL If we fail to choose the blessed Good News, we'll weep with those who are destined to lose.
  16. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I think if we can keep things simple, we are spared from confusion. It has been my experience that those of the Immortal Soul/Eternal Torment crowd flatly refuse to allow Genesis 2:7 KJV to be the foundation of their belief when it comes to the nature of man. It's like those who teach Jesuit...
  17. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yes, two kinds of death: physical and spiritual. Do you know that "spiritual death" is in the present tense, while physical death is always future? That's why the soul is not immortal - because "the soul that sinneth shall die", not live forever in immortal torment. Genesis 2:7 KJV says the...
  18. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    If a contractor "chooses" to build you a house and then immediately demands payment without even picking up a hammer, are you going to thank him and pay him for his "hard work" that went into his "invaluable choice" -- or get him fitted for a straightjacket? Likewise, choosing to follow Jesus...
  19. Phoneman777

    Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

    What I said is in full harmony with this verse. Of course we can't declare ourselves spotless by sheer force of will...only Jesus' blood can do that. However, Peter makes it clear salvation is obtained only by repentance, which is a choice we all must make. As stated previously, choice is not...
  20. Phoneman777

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Good question. When taken together, the Bible teaches everlasting life for the saints, but death for the wicked, which is the cessation of life, not a continuation thereof. The entirety of the confusion traces the root back to Genesis 2:7 KJV, or rather the refusal to acknowledge it. Here, we...