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  1. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    Where can I find that quote?
  2. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    By default, the belief that Antichrist is not yet risen is a Jesuit Futurist belief. Jesuit Ribera was the first to deny the papacy is Antichrist by insisting the Antichrist would arise in the future. Fair enough. However, it is the practice of Jesuit Futurists to seek prophetic fulfillment in...
  3. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    Actually, every bit of my argument is totally grounded in God's Word. Example: Daniel says "the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom" - the same is true of the other three. The first beast kingdom is a "lion with eagle's wings". What is that? Peter says we can't have our own private...
  4. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    I assure you I didn't miss it. The legs of iron are pagan Rome and the feet and toes are the barbarian nations which eventually became Europe. The Antichrist is not yet mentioned here because God's method of prophetic revelation is "repetition and enlargement". The first depiction of the...
  5. Phoneman777

    9-11 apparently a false flag - what will the next one be?

    Bro, in a majority Protestant nation, we've got SIX Roman Catholics on the SCOTUS. SIX. Just a few decades ago, the first Roman Catholic got elected POTUS and that in itself was a cause for much consternation...even scandalous. But JFK's famous speech set everyone at ease: "I believe in an...
  6. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    The Restrainer was the Roman Empire which stood preventing the rise of the papacy. The ECFs all believed Paul told the early church it was pagan Rome, as I've stated in other posts. The Ten Horns arose in place of pagan Rome toward the end of the 5th century and the papacy arose in the early...
  7. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    While it's true that the king literally acted like a beast, the vision depicts him not as a beast, but as a tree. We're dealing with prophetic elements and their interpretation. And in Daniel 7, the beasts and horns are plainly stated to represent kingdoms, so whatever interpretation we give...
  8. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    One must consider the pattern of prophetic revelation that God employs: "repetition and enlargement". It is the established method of God, like any good teacher, to present the information, and then represent it in "review" form with additional details added, just like when we were all in...
  9. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    Let's be honest: my interpretation incorporates both these two ideas: 1) The Beasts and Horns are plainly said to be/described as kingdoms. 2) The Bible often refers to kingdoms by personifying them as individuals while fully meaning "kingdoms". Your interpretation totally ignores plain texts...
  10. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    Daniel 2 describes kingdoms. Daniel 7 describes the same kingdoms. Daniel 8 NAMES TWO of those kingdoms specifically. Chapter 10 also specifically mentions that the angel was fighting the prince of the kingdom of Persia, and afterward the king of Greece would come, which is the same kingdom as...
  11. Phoneman777

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    To either retain or abandon our ideas based on whether they stand the test of scrutiny, which in this case is Biblical scrutiny. Sadly, it is often the case that once our ideas come up against an irrefutable argument, we circle our intellectual wagons around our cherished belief in an attempt...
  12. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    I'd agree with you if only "are four kings" was all that was mentioned, though one might argue that if a "king" doesn't have a "kingdom", he's not a king at all. However, a couple verses later, we read "The fourth beast shall be the fourth KINGDOM..." which removes all possibility that the...
  13. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    I think the word of an angel from heaven which said "the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom" is proof enough that in the case of Daniel 7, the beasts are kingdoms, and we are in no position to argue with him.
  14. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    You cannot dispute the fact that the Bible says the Antichrist "little horn" was to arise "among the ten" horns which came up from the fallen fourth beast, the pagan Roman Empire. How can this Antichrist - which is described as the "first beast" in Rev. 13, the "man of sin" in 2 Thess. the...
  15. Phoneman777

    9-11 apparently a false flag - what will the next one be?

    The prophecy says the Beast would reign 1,260 symbolic days and like all prophetic symbols we must find a way to interpret it, which is Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6: "...each day for a year"...which makes it 1,260 literal years. The papacy came to power in 538 A.D. and 1,260 years later in...
  16. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    Daniel is clear that the beasts and horns of chapter 7 are "kingdoms". The Antichrist "little horn" is to arise among the ten horns which came out of the fallen Roman Empire, which took place back in the 6th century. No single man can possibly live from that time until Jesus comes back and...
  17. Phoneman777

    Jesuit Futurism

    What are you talking about? Of COURSE none of them were futurists, they were Protestant Historicists.
  18. Phoneman777

    Jesuit Futurism

    What doesn't matter to you is anything that disproves Jesuit Futurism, such as my argument against your ridiculous "two thief" returns of Christ. BTW, Historicism exclusively was believed, taught, and preached from every Protestant pulpit for over 300 years - even after the papacy introduced...
  19. Phoneman777

    The Restrainer

    I gave you explicit examples of where the Bible says the Antichrist is a "horn" and a "beast" which the Bible says plainly are KINGDOMS - not singular men.
  20. Phoneman777

    Jesuit Futurism

    That's not an answer. The fact is YOU DON"T HAVE AN ANSWER because you yourself know Jesus can't come back a second time as a thief because everyone will know exactly what day it will be and everyone will be looking skyward when it rolls around. Abandon Jesuit nonsense and embrace Historicism.