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So was I.

You are just projecting what you think I believe on me. Don't tell me what I think, ok? Grace is not merited by belief, but God requires belief. That's his prerogative.

You said: "The Father draws the ones who are elect" by which I assume you mean: "The father only draws the ones who are already chosen from before the world begin for salvation." That's not what John 6 says at all. Jesus spends a lot of time explaining how to become one of his sheep, one of his...

Everyone with a brain is an existentialist scholar. We observe the world and how it reacts to our decisions.

That's not in there. Every one of those Jews Jesus was talking to had a real opportunity to come to him in faith. Maybe not at that time, but at some point. And I don't mean a theoretical opportunity, as in, the gospel is for all... but it really isn't, because God just drags some in and ignores...

It doesn't say all the father draws come, but the ones the father gives. Two different things. The father gives who? He tells them clearly that the way to come is to believe on him. John 6:35 " For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal...

So Moses was smarter than God, too? Or did he just get ticked off? Can hardly blame him, if that's the case, but still not a smart move.

A person smarter than God would figure out a way. Maybe you aren't that smart after all?

Sure, I can choose to fight into the wind instead of going with it. But that isn't the meaning. It's just showing that the Spirit works in ways we don't see. God is working on hearts that we would not expect to respond to him. He works even if there's no response.

This verse works against you but you don't choose to see it. John 6 does not say that everyone he draws will come. It says no one comes without being drawn. John 12:32 says he draws all. Logically then, there is something between the drawing and the coming. The drawing is not irresistible. A...

That is a downright bizarre interpretation. Loving the world is not about loving people. It's about loving this material world more than God. We are supposed to love all people. 1 Corinthians 16:14 Luke 6:35 We are told to love our neighbors and our enemies, who else is there? Matthew 5:43

Hey too bad they didn't have you there... you would have sat them straight and eliminated all resistance. Because you are smarter than God. :) Yes, free will means there will be non-compliance. It's also the only way people can actually worship God. And your whole scenario here, only works if...

Wow, that's really stretching the metaphor. But I guess if you read everything with your Calvinist lenses on you can read into it anything you want.

the Gift thatI was speaking of is salvation. I'm still not sure what you are meaning. Do we have to be reconciled with our brother before being saved? This is about people that are believers, IMO.

John 12:32 John 16:8 -9

So you are pitting scripture against scripture? I never understood why you all even appeal to that verse. There's nothing there about the spirit being irresistible.

Your problem is you don't believe God convicts everyone. It's called prevenient Grace. No, the unregenerate cannot confess Christ until he accepts him as Savior.

How does this even relate?

Yo might want to read it again. There is indeed an "if".

Sad. Because God promises that the holy spirit will indwell his followers. And the point isn't what you need anyway. Calvinists limit God with their demands then he doesn't get outside thier little box.