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I'm certain that Abraham thought that the Lord would fulfill the promise not through Sarah. Rom 4:18, Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Rom 4:19, And being not weak in faith, he...

It is clear from scripture that God counted Abraham's faith (in Genesis 15:6) as righteousness.

Mind you, Sarah didn't have sex with Pharaoh (for the LORD put a stop to it); but Abraham received material blessings from Pharaoh in exchange for Abraham letting Pharaoh take her into his harem (because Abraham told him the half-lie that she was his sister (the full lie was that he implied she...

Pimping his wife to the Egyptian Pharaoh was certainly obedience on Abraham's part.

You're hilarious. Thanks for the comic relief.

No; for they were preaching the truth. Jesus said you will be hated of all men for my name's sake. It is the convicting messages that do the most saving. The only thing I saw wrong with their approach was that they were being judgmental of the people they were preaching to; and that indicates...

Simply that, Jesus is our substitute; and that nothing in scripture is going to contradict this truth. In what way do you see the scripture in question contradicting this truth? If you will answer my question, I will be able to see more clearly what your question is. Because right now, I...

No need to compare scriptures. If the twelve preached a different gospel than Paul, then they are accursed (Galatians 1:6-9). I don't believe that this is the case; for they will sit upon twelve thrones judging the tribes of Israel. And this means that they are not accursed; but blessed.

Am I to consider that you are contending for the idea that Jesus isn't our substitute?

I just did, in the post that you just responded to. You don't like the explanation; I can understand that. Nevertheless, the explanation is adequate. Scripture interprets scripture (1 Corinthians 2:13 (kjv)).

All I know is that God counted Abraham's faith as righteousness at the time of Genesis 15:6. Already did. What God says it means.

Was that you preaching that message?

There is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5) the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). And no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3). Jesus also is, indeed, the Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6).

There are quite a few verses where Paul refers to works as being not salvational and is referring to works period as opposed to the works of the law. Romans 4:6, at the very least, shows that we are justified through faith apart from works. Ephesians 2:8-9 shows the same. Faith without...

In Romans 4:5, there is a generic case of him that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. This means that the Lord justifies the ungodly person...He declares them righteous when the moment before, they were ungodly. What one is...

If a person does not have the love of the Lord dwelling in them they are not a saved person; and good works are the normal expression of love. However, scripture is clear that righteousness is imputed to us apart from works (Romans 4:6) through simple faith in Jesus and what He did for us on...

Jhn 1:12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Rom 10:6, But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from...

Did Abraham believe in the LORD, that the LORD's promises were true, at the moment of Genesis 12:1-4; or does scripture teach that Abraham believed in the LORD at the time of Genesis 15:6 and it was accounted to him for righteousness? God knew that Abraham feared him in Genesis 22; but He knew...

Rom 5:13, (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Rom 2:12, For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

It means what God meant by it. Do you think that it contradicts the fact that Jesus is our substitute? Then you have a problem with your understanding of scripture; for in your mind the scripture contradicts itself. Unless you yourself don't believe that the holy scriptures teach that Jesus...