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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Nobodies sins have ever been forgiven by the blood of bulls and goats… never ever have and never ever will be.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Look at Daniel 12. There are two resurrections. The first one mentioned is the FIRST RESURRECTION of the just to everlasting life and the second one is the resurrection of the unjust to everlasting contempt. NOTE: Both happened at exactly the same time! There is no 1000 year separation anywhere...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I said in my last post to you - “my definition of it is - God deals with specific groups of people in different specified ways which is not biblical.”
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    David I hope you understand Daniel 12 proves beyond the shadow of a doubt = it is impossible that there is a literal 1000 years.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Are any of you literal 1000 year reign people even considering Daniel's account of the resurrection? You can't be or you wouldn't be talking about a literal 1000 years. Look at Daniel 12. There are two resurrections. The first one mentioned is the FIRST RESURRECTION of the just to everlasting...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    He didn’t plan a literal 1000 year reign. Thousand is a symbol representing be under the dominion of God. Just like the cattle (sheep) that feed on a thousand hills(God’s hills) represents God’s people. You don’t take those as literal hills and it carries the same symbolic meaning as the...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    The bible says that whoever shall call on the name shall be saved. It also says you are born by the INCORRUPTIBLE word of God. Even though the Bible clearly says you are born again by the words in the Bible, 99.99% of believers won’t accept that.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You nailed it when you said born again because that’s who gets to enter. To enter Heavenly Jerusalem a person must be saved AND born again. Another concept (saved and born again) the vast majority of the church doesn’t grasp and will claim they mean the same thing.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Can you give an example where the gospel is any different for a group or “dispensation” than it is right now?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    That’s not how a see Heavenly Jerusalem. Most of the church hasn’t entered Heavenly Jerusalem yet, in fact most of the church is waiting for a cube to come down from heaven.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I’m not a preterist, I don’t identify with hardly anything a preterist believes. I read the Bible and whatever it says that’s what I believe.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Heavenly Jerusalem isn’t something that a non-believer even knows exists, it’s a spiritual state a believer lives in.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Revelation 11:2 kind of squashes that idea doesn’t it? How do Gentiles tread under foot Heavenly Jerusalem? It has to be a literal physical earthly temple. Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I see no biblical evidence for a physical kingdom.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I think the version of the resurrection taught and believed by most of Christianity is causing people to think Revelation 11 is future.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Defining it didn’t serve a purpose in our conversation but my definition of it is - God deals with specific groups of people in different specified ways which is not biblical.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I agree. The second coming was when Christ came in all power and glory to rule and reign with a rod of iron, meaning Daniels iron kingdom, the spiritual kingdom Jesus is using on the world right now. The verses I gave prove the kingdoms of this world belong to Jesus, we just have to accept that...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    That's a valid point, and I don't pretend to have a full answer for it. What I'd say is this: there are things Revelation places after the image of the beast that we can verify from Scripture as already accomplished. The resurrection. The kingdoms of this world now under the rule of Christ. The...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Yes Revelation 11:15-19 has happened and the resurrection is still happening today but, as with most everything else in the Bible, people have been taught a resurrection that is not biblical which is a thread topic on its own. To be clear, I'm not arguing Psalm 18 is a one-to-one account of...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    The Jews were under grace too. The law only applies to those who don’t put their faith in Christ. David was under grace, all of the Old Testament believers were under grace. That’s why I posted the verse I posted. It says the covenant of grace was before the law and the law didn’t override the...
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