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Me too! Jesus came so we could have that and sadly too many believers don’t allow themselves to enter into that rest.

Amigo you still haven't told me whether Christ's righteousness was enough for the thief. And here's why I keep asking. Everything you've written puts the weight on what you do. Suffer, overcome, cease from sin. So let me ask what Paul asked the Galatians: having begun in the Spirit, are ye now...

I appreciate you sharing that, Lizbeth. I just want to say though, the joy of the Lord is our strength, not our suffering and not our performance. His burden is supposed to be light. You mentioned Hebrews 6 earlier, what do you think that passage is actually warning about? Do you feel like it’s...

Lizbeth, I want to say first that I agree with more of this than it probably seems. God grows the fruit, He prunes the branches, sanctification is real and it matters. Hebrews 13:21 says He makes us perfect in every good work, "working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight", that's Him...

I enjoy talking about it. I follow your logic I just don’t see it the way you see it.

I don’t argue that the “prince who is to come” in verse 26 must refer back to “Messiah the Prince” in verse 25. The Prince to come is not the Messiah.

We’re talking about the title Prince.

The plural "shabuim" is just the normal plural of "shabua," the same way "weeks" is the plural of "week." Neither the singular nor the plural form is used to mean "years" anywhere else in the Old Testament.

We just see things differently, not a problem.

I’m pretty sure it’s literal weeks. sml Can you point me to any other passages in the Bible where shâbûa‛ means weeks of years?

How does that change anything? Is Daniel not a Prince, is Acts not a Prince? You’ll have to give more information on what you’re saying here.

You're right that it's our sin that made Christ's death necessary. Isaiah 53 and Romans 3 both say that plainly, and I'm not disputing it. But there's a difference between "our sin necessitated the cross" and "every person who ever lived personally murdered Him." Scripture names specific...

Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Shall be called means not yet called.

The Bible says weeks - 7 days. I know you think it’s week of years so yes, it probably does sound absurd from that perspective. In the literal week's reckoning, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, and at the end of that week He rose from the dead, confirming the covenant God made with...

Just from from what you said there, you’re on the right track!

The specific title "Prince" — Greek archegos only shows up twice in the New Testament, and both times it's tied directly to the resurrection, not the baptism. Look at the wording itself in Acts: Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Act 5:31 Him...

Yes but are you saying that’s when he became Prince?

I agree, you start it and I’ll participate.