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That just nailed something down for me. Jesus became the Prince either at the resurrection or on Pentecost which means Daniels 70 weeks was completed on resurrection day or Pentecost.

I don’t know what you mean. Do you think the murder of Jesus was not an abomination to God? Do you think the murder of Jesus is not why Jerusalem was left desolate. Not getting on you, I’m trying to understand where you’re coming from.

Are you talking about the prophecy in Isaiah? If you are then Isaiah is prophesying that Jesus would be called Prince of Peace, it doesn’t say when he would get the title. Acts tells us when he would be prince. Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a...

The murder of Jesus was the abomination David. The murder of Jesus is why the kingdom was taken from Israel and Jerusalem was destroyed.

I see your point. Maybe the missing title just means He wasn't yet "Prince" at the cutting off because that title came at the resurrection? Philippians 2:8-9 has humiliation first, then exaltation as the result. Acts 2:36 says God "made" Him Lord and Christ after the resurrection. So the...

Abomination Something detestable, morally repugnant — provoking God's own revulsion, most often tied to idolatry or a severe violation of what's holy. Example: God sends His only begotten Son to save a people — and they murder Him. Desolation A state of ruin and emptiness — the aftermath of...

That’s the new age religion. Everybody can be saved, Christ isn’t needed and in fact you can become Christ.

I’ve learned pretty much everything I know about Christianity through Bible and doctrinal discussions with other believers. I feel like my understanding of what it means to be crucified with Christ may be lacking. Debate usually brings my thinking to areas it might not have gone to otherwise.

Are you saying dropping "Messiah" pushes the prince 2000 years ahead? Because "to come" was true of Titus too, he was future from Daniel's vantage point in 538 BC. Nothing in the phrase tells us how far ahead this prince is, just that he isn't the Messiah.

It is.

Why do you go to church? Are you trying stay in favor with God through obedience? From what we’ve discussed so far it seems that you go out of obligation, to please God.

I would be the opposite on that one. My family member would come before missing a day of church every time. I realize the church/birthday was just an example but in my view, you’re view is putting a self-imposed yoke on your neck that doesn’t exist. Forsaking the assembling of ourselves doesn’t...

You’re not a nobody. You don’t have to answer, I just thought it might be good to dig into to that aspect.

Do you think God is more pleased by a person sacrificing a family members feelings and choosing church over the family members feelings? I’m just asking to make sure I know where you’re coming from.

Why are those things hard. There’s no right or wrong choice when choosing between a family birthday and going to church. You’re church should understand that a family member’s birthday is worth missing one day of church. Beside that, non-believers face the same conflicts in their lives.

Why does another persons actions or beliefs upset you? Especially to the point that you feel the need to be rude to them?

Can you give an example in your Christian walk that you find hard to do?

What do you think crucified with Christ means?

No it’s not a biblical term. Do you hear Christian’s saying my ego has been crucified with Christ. I’m not arguing that ego isn’t the same thing as the flesh or self. I’m saying Christians don’t use the word ego but New Agers do.

The word "ego" as a term for a distinct psychological structure — "the self," specifically the rational, mediating part of the mind — comes from Sigmund Freud, early 20th century, in his model of id/ego/superego. That's purely secular psychoanalytic theory, with no Christian or biblical roots at...