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  1. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    He never spoke of the miracles that were left out of the Bible. Therefore they do not exist?
  2. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    The AC is revealed pretrib. "Revealed" is not the same as "in power"
  3. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    Oh OK. Amil. Have a good day! As you just demonstrated , you and I are miles apart.
  4. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    "Entirety of Scripture " That's comical. Again. Jesus used "tribulation." That is where I got it from. Daniel calls it the 70th week. You don't know what you are talking about.
  5. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    Show me your setting where I showed you the bible setting. Show me a different setting. Do you even read what the setting is???????
  6. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    I listed them Show us your superior "interpretation"
  7. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    Time to lay down the utensils that have been used to torture verses to force fit into some dreamed up doctrine. If you change one single verse, then you're gonna have to change 20 or 50 more and end up being embarrassed that you are so wrong.
  8. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    Truth is hidden in plain sight. Heaven ordained it.
  9. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    The rapture is the groom gathering the bride. The 7 yr trib is Jacob's trouble Israel's trouble Jewish trouble. Why are those OVERLY SIMPLE BASIC facts so muddied up in EVERY doctrine but the pretrib rapture doctrine?
  10. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    I just shake my head at your omission of verses. Your choice.
  11. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    Lol S.I. (amil), agrees with you. ....as does the catholic church. Dude....no red flags??????? Jesus is postrib????? Maybe one day you can straighten him out from the error of ALL RAPTURE VERSES ARE pretrib setting. Jesus error In the following; * 2 escape verses * before the flood the rapture...
  12. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    I think that dude you are addressing is amil. Which is a TOTALLY different bible. They really need their own thread, because they challenge us from a weird angle. You will be rocking along in a discussion and wonder why EVERY SINGLE POINT does not even come close to registering with them...
  13. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    Yep 100% agrees with pretrib doctrine. The part you need to go back and learn is how is Rev 14:14, and acts ch1, and matt 25, the exact same thing as Rev 19 ?( your misplacement of the rapture of the church)
  14. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    I can look at apostacy 2 ways. In one it is the literal ,which means I am with God , and in covenant with him, and depart from that position,I become apostate. ( those ones literally departing something become one with this world, rejecting God) The other is just looking at the sinful world...
  15. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    Not to be obtuse, but it is saying we are promised seventy, and if strength brings you you to 80 ...then you have 80 years under your belt. Then you die...fly away.
  16. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    No Look around We are in the great apostacy. Next is either the rapture or the revealing (not yet in power) of the AC The AC arrives with a bow in his hand. God said the bow is his Covenant. Bow represents covenant.
  17. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    The apostacy The revealing of the AC The rapture of the church ALL PRETRIB. The ac is REVEALED....not in power,Reread it. Exactly as Obama was. Anyone with a sliver of discernment knew he was evil way before he was elected. Obama....revealed...before he took power AC.... Revealed...before he...
  18. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    Apostacy in the greek translated "departure" or "from standing" Has nothing to do with the world. It is a departure from the faith...of the faithful, not the ungodly getting worse.
  19. rebuilder 454

    Messiah 2030

    The great apostasy proceeds the Antichrist revealed. Paul was writing to the body of Christ when he said that the Antichrist would be revealed. The white horse rider in revelation is the Antichrist revealed. He is the one that Kick off the great tribulation. Just like Obama was revealed and...
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    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    The lie of no rapture before Darby