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14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers...

Ok. Great?! You never answered my 2 questions asking you to defend your theory You just went postal and freaked out on me.

Duh. Read Rev 14 and get back to me. Keep fantasizing there is no mention of the 144k being in heaven ahead if the main harvest of vs 14. Maybe some reading classes will help.

That harvest of vs14 FOLLOWS the 144k firstfruits. It is the main Jewish harvest spoken of in romans.. No white horses. The Bible is not confusion of Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle, while at the same time returning with million of white horses with a sword into warfare. Such folly...

Then explain Rev 14:14 , and agree the Holy Spirit did NOT botch anything in the Bible. You will focus on some non issue in my post and somehow think you are on the same page. I am saying HE DID NOT BOTCH ANYTHING (It is your doctrine that insists HE DID). You need to ask yourself and do a soul...

Yawn We all believe that

What do postribs do with the fact that all take the mark???? Is it automatically transposed to "some"? What do you do with th the passage that says power is given to the Antichrist to overcome the Saints. ? What do you do with the passage that says, of the Believers in the tribulation...

Thank you!

Post Rev 14:14 for us and show us how the Holy Spirit botched that gathering of Jesus into a gathering opposite your doctrine. No phony personal baloney. No dodge No accusations to deflect from the Bible. Post the passage and make it fit your theory. Tools needed: 1 a bible 2 honesty

Take a look at your link: "Revelation 19:7–9 prompts two major questions: When and where will the marriage and marriage supper of the Lamb take place? At least three answers to these questions have been proposed. First, the marriage will occur when the Church is raptured to meet Christ in the...

Give a verse that says that the 144k evangelize. Then one that says the marriage feast is after the trib ( which would be in direct contention with Jesus words)

Rev 14 PROVES THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE COMING MAT 24:38 HAS Jesus coming before the flood What you just did was frame all that into one coming on white horses. Total baloney

Those verses agree 100% with the pretrib rapture doctrine. But you make Jesus a liar, because he described the meeting in heaven, and said he was going there to receive us. You were duped into that dominion baloney.

This is why I started this thread. It was to prove to everyone on the board that you do not have a scriptural basis for your Doctrine. The post that you just made proves it. You have nothing. You have zero. You literally made the whole thing up. That is why you go personal on every single post...

Ok, the gt is "Jacob's trouble", (Israel's trouble) Jesus said Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles is complete. In Romans chapter 9 chapter 10 and chapter 11 we see how God plans on dealing with his Covenant people , the Jewish people. God's plan is to...

So, from this editorial, we can conclude, that the postrib rapture, without any scriptural basis, as you just enlightened us, is a LIE. What else is new?

I guess that settles it. Now you can personal attack us as a consensus. You just gave all your buddies a personal attack mandate. All of you go crying when we pushback. Now go back and look at the sleaze you guys posted, and got pushback. Then you go crying.

Only the army is destroyed. You got something saying different?

Exactly. You just placed the setting. ...which destroys your entire deal.

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