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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Perhaps you might decide to focus on the markers found in Daniel 7,8, and 11 and tie them to the verses in the NT. It was the papacy itself who came up with the "anti-christ" figure that would come to the earth at the end of time. It was the Jesuit priest Ribera at the time of the Reformation...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Here is a cut / paste section of the narrative found within the commentary on Daniel that speaks to the chapter 7 identity of the little horn. For what it is worth..... First, Paul says, “the mystery of lawlessness is already at work” (2 Thessalonians 2:7). This means lawlessness was already...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Thank you for your honest comments! First, let me say in sincerity just how difficult and complicated the Book of Daniel truly is. Most have no idea how it is constructed, the approach that is needed to unpack it, and that the focus cannot simply be on the 4 kingdoms, their kings, and their...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I would not focus one second on the term AC or anti-Christ figure. Because there is NO anti-christ literal figure. The 4 times this term is used is only found in the NT and they ALL speak to a "spirit of the anti-christ." Not a literal person who comes on the scene. However, God has gone to...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Okay, now, would you mind telling me who the man of sin is? Is this the same individual that is mentioned in Daniel 7,8 and 11? Is this the same individual mentioned as the "lawless one" in 2 Thessalonians 2? Is this the same one that is mentioned in Revelation - sea beast, whore of Babylon? If...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Thanks for your response. But I hope you would have offered your full interpretation on the following: 1) what is the “lawlessness” that is already taking place in the 1st century, 2) who is the “lawless one” that will be revealed, 3) when and why will this “lawless one” be revealed, 4) who...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Okay, now, who is the lawless one, what is lawlessness that began in the 1st century, and the timing of those… and what verses are you using to make your interpretations?
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Thanks for your response.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I am not arguing that they thought the full visible return, resurrection, gathering, and final judgment had already happened and that they missed it. I agree that would be absurd. I am saying that they may have been told the day of the Lord had arrived, had begun, or was now present. That is...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Paul’s sequence proves the day had not arrived, not because the Thessalonians could miss the final visible return, but because they could be deceived into thinking the day of the Lord was already present due to their suffering.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I think I rather discontinue having any further conversations with you. Best wishes.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I agree that it would be absurd if someone claimed the final visible return of Christ had already happened in its fullest sense and the Thessalonians somehow missed it. If Christ had already appeared in final glory, the resurrection and gathering had occurred, and the wicked had been judged, no...
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    The FOUR HORSEMEN of the Apocalypse

    I don't know if you agree, but the war that takes place after the cross is not a secular war or series of wars among secular nations. God is not interested in speaking about or prophesying about wars mankind has always and always will begin... "there will be wars and rumors of wars." God had set...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    What is wrong with you????????
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    There are essentially two groups of people in the world: those that follow or press Jesus is our Lied and Savior and those that don’t believe this. There is absolutely nothing for Satan to do or focus or spend any effort on for those that do not believe in Jesus- they are lost. The second...
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    The FOUR HORSEMEN of the Apocalypse

    In Revelation 6:1, John writes, “I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, ‘Come and see.’” This living creature is likely the same as the ones described in Revelation 4 and 5. If we can accept the premise that...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Paul corrects them by giving signs that must occur first shows the deception was about timing, not about them literally missing the visible return of Christ. Paul is not saying, “You would obviously know if Christ had visibly returned.” He is saying, “Do not be deceived; the prophetic sequence...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Thanks Peter, would you please consider this: In 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul carefully distinguishes between the mystery of lawlessness, the man of lawlessness, and the satanic manner in which this lawless power operates. First, Paul says, “the mystery of lawlessness is already at work” (2...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    For what it is worth: In 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul carefully distinguishes between the mystery of lawlessness, the man of lawlessness, and the satanic manner in which this lawless power operates. First, Paul says, “the mystery of lawlessness is already at work” (2 Thessalonians 2:7). This means...