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So many mysteries. So much learning to be done. Sound, Light, Substance, Thought, Choice, Space, Distance, Relationship.....it makes me feel like a dumbo.

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Your patronising Hidden, leaves me with no reason to take you seriously.

Sorry Hidden, you by pass by the point.....trying to establish that metaphor and succinct replies do not establish gems of truth. The waffle undercuts your intelligence!

below are some examples The underlined above indicates you want numbers and below you say numbers have nothing to do with being saved. First you want numbers and then you deny numbers qualify for anything. Why would you ask 'how many' in the first place as if it were some measure of credibility...

So, lengthy convoluted replies are not fleshly defence mechanisms?

You can always ask. Patronising gets you no brownie points AJ

It is clear, at least to me, speaking out of both sides of your mouth is not a problem for you.....when you feel it is justified.

No doubt you find my 'one liners' too succinct to grasp. Perhaps metaphor passes you by as incomprehensible?

Your self justification doesn't wash, Hidden.

Everyone's paradigm will come out in the wash. All the yada yada in justification of ones words will be salted with fire.

Seeing you are so sure of your position, I guess we'll just have to wait to see how things pan out. Numbers it appears are the bottom line for you. You assume that volume equals weightiness and accuracy.

Jeremiah 13:23 Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil. Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

There two things I need to repeat in reply.... 1.....You have snowed yourself with your own rhetoric, ie one deduction (form of logic) rolls into another and continues. Subsequently the inevitable truck load of words...... to say what otherwise can be said in few words. 2.....Re God's Kingdom...

Irreverence amounts to the condemnation of others. To condemn those whom God has forgiven leaves no room to tell them THE Good News. All that is left is to advise them; to insist they jump through your favourite hoops while kidding yourself you have been a faithful witness to God.

What is 'called into marvelous light'? It means to trust his gracious promises of forgiveness. It walks hand in hand with seeing others in the same in the same light. How you relate with those opposed is the evidence of what you believe God has promised.

You can be assured that God's word is Jesus. That which is attributed to God in many cases is questionable.....particularly when Jesus is the qualifier of the Father's words.

Just to bounce off your second last question AJ, you have never said anything which would want me to come to Jesus AJ. Don't you think that is rather odd? Rattling on about your bible knowledge and the lack others have has no drawing power. All it does is tell me of your need to let others know...

Your desperate need to speak poorly of Steven and myself, ie built your defaming case on lies is clearly an indication of the spirit which motivates you.

Questioning is not a bad thing, particularly in the light of conflicting opinions. I would say that Steven's questioning does not mean he is in a dark place at all. At least he has the courage to flesh out where the various conclusions lead to considering many are willingly entrenched in...