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I believe all those verses, and do not come to your conclusions lol Thanks anyway!

Nope, Ezekiel 18:24 says God can forget righteousness, so, faith being counted as righteousness, and their having believed having been forgotten, it becomes the case that they never believed. God blots out sins, forgetting it, but He also blots out righteousness, forgetting it. Branches are...

I can't accept that : 1. John warns the "little children" "remain in Him", warning them with the same warning of the branches that get cut off if they don't (Jn 15 ; 1 Jn 2:28). 2. Your "take" makes the idea of being blotted out of the Book of Life meaningless. Also, many other passages, which I...

Of course : my purpose in discussing, sometimes, is to check my blind spots. I subject my views to scrutiny to help improve. That said, I started out by saying I did not know how to reconcile the two, so I was looking for help / opinions. No, your desire is not to help me but to help yourself.

Your "purpose" is to make yourself the center of the thread--that's not happening.

The reply addressed user @bdavidc, so idk why you would make yourself the center of the matter. Empty allegations. You're still trying to take control of the thread / change the topic--and I'm still not going to let that happen. You're off topic.

Thanks for participating

I'm sorry, my point was that some who have His Word do not abide in Him (ie, by not abiding in His Word : "if that which you heard from the beginning abides in you you will abide in Him"), thus they are cut off and thrown in the fire : Christ will lose none who keep His Word, not "no one can...

The verse I cited in the OP, which verse you were to be responding to, and which you quoted, saying, "Paul went out from among John", was 1 John 2:18,19--you are free to admit you erred, though I doubt you will. Unless you repent and admit your error, or somehow prove that you were not applying...

Every person thinks their own views, including their eschatological views, are "more Bible focused" than the next person's--the focus of this thread will not waver. It really seems you are eager to divulge your understanding on the issue of eschatology. Maybe you can start a post about it?

It's not the topic.

Branches / disciples / "little children" who don't abide are cut off and are thrown in the fire ; accordingly, John warns the children "abide in Him" in order that they might not draw back in shame at His return. Some statements John makes ("does not go on sinning") are specifically against...

We differ on eschatology, but I don't want to get in to that topic, because it isn't the focus here.

Well, the conundrum needed to be worked out (for me)--and I'm still not saying I do have it worked out lol I take it differently.

If you say "Paul 'went out from among' John in fulfillment of 1 John 2:18,19", you most certainly are calling him an antichrist--if you are offended by your calling Paul an antichrist, then don't call him an antichrist lol

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I meant that Christ says He will lose none, yet branches get cut off and thrown in the fire, so the solution to this conundrum might be that Christ (the Word) loses none who keep the Word (Christ).

Well, I'm saying that if Christ says He will lose none, but, also, that some branches get cut off and thrown in the fire for their own fault of not abiding in Him, then maybe the correct understanding is that those who keep the Word will be kept by the Word that they keep (as.Rev 3 says). I...

There aren't many clear conclusions I can arrive at at all (with respect to this question), because one place says this, and another says that.

You may not be intentionally doing it, but, if you look at the context, you're actually calling Paul an antichrist. 1 John 2:18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour...