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You assume wrongly about what I think Hidden. Have another try!

I do not find this construct viable.

I don't think one needs to deduce that. Revelation zooms in on certain detail at different times.....it's not necessarily a continuous detailed timeline.

Sorry, I don't share your view Hidden. The context is the second coming of Jesus at the end of this age.

what about Jews included in Revelation 6:15-16?

Hey you :Thumbsup:

When it says 'all Israel', do you think it includes the rebellious, the recalcitrant, ie, child sacrificers, those who give the intentional finger to God which the Prophets railed against....those who deliberately formulated and spread the lies denying Jesus resurrection?

Learning to Have a Meek and Quiet Spirit Hey, you talkin' about me? :Broadly:

Yes, the history of the World will be shortened. This does not mean to say there won't be a time of trouble as never was just before Jesus returns. It will be tribulation alright....an intense time at the end 'packaged' if you like in the collective misery of 6000 years of sin.

Yes, all Israel. It's not just speaking of an ethnicity otherwise it could be deducted that it includes the wicked Jews; rather it is speaking of those deemed God's people (those who have contended with God and man and prevailed) throughout history.....as did Jacob who subsequently had his name...

It is happening when Jesus returns in the clouds with his mighty angels. It will be a global thing......every eye shall see him....including those who pierced him. What I deduct from 'those that pierced him' is there will be a 'special' resurrection of those people. In any case, that last bit is...

@St. SteVen There the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The punch line and purpose of the story is to convey this; 'if they do not believe Moses and the Prophets, they wont believe even if one rose from the dead.' In the face of empirical evidence, they choose to disregard, disbelieve and reject.

Remember Rev. 6:15-16? They cry for the rocks and mountains to fall on them. Take a look at the list of who it is. Rev. 6:15-16 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the...

It doesn't have to be a dead end but it is if people choose it.

All who believe God has forgiven their sins have the privilege and the desire to share this gift with others. It opens heaven, it opens life....it was for this purpose Jesus came. When there is no desire to share forgiveness, one has not seen forgiveness.

Does one need to carry a label to believe in Jesus?

Love is vulnerable. Taking this into consideration, God is not in control as it is generally understood. Love does not force. it allows others the freedom to choose even to his and their own hurt. Sin and those who insist on clinging to it will come to an end because the rest of creation will...

The keys of the kingdom is the message of the Gospel...it is the message of forgiveness. It liberates people. All God's people have the privilege and gift to forgive sins.

Has it been considered that God is not responsible for the choice people make? Judas chose to suicide (die) Do we hold God responsible and say sin wins? Why would some choose to die? I would say they have been deceived...yes, tricked into believing suicide is the best option. If many (as Rev.6...

The second resurrection is that of the wicked. Teeming billions from every age marching from over the whole earth (as sands on the seashore) They surround The City (the New Jerusalem which has come down from heaven) It is radiant beyond anything they could imagine. They desire to take it by...