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Let me try to put it another way. The command to be subject to governing authorities is not a command to be an activist to try and change said government if you dont' like said government. We are only commanded/instructed to be subject....put another way there is no command or instruction or...

In my sincere observation, something in you needs healing Epi. It's as though you're often projecting your own self-recrimination onto others. Maybe there is a deep seated false belief of never measuring up or being good enough due to a harsh upbringing....or something like that.

Golly, Wrangler......please quote the whole sentence not just part of it in order to misrepresent my meaning. I know very well that we are commanded to be subject to the governing authorities and am not saying otherwise............as I think you well know. Here's my whole post (#392)...

Ok. The evangelical church of today isn't what it used to be. My impression is that it used to be better overall. I wouldn't call it a decoy system though, as concerns the past.........protestant evangelicalism was vastly more genuine and on the right track than the RCC...

You're not fooling anyone Wrangler. Is that what you call doing justice/being just? Twisting someone's words for your advantage? Hypocrisy is not good fruit.

So far. US ground troops are being sent.......certainly wish otherwise, but this might have to get uglier before it gets better for anyone. I don't wish trouble and hardship upon anyone, but could this be God's will in these last days.....?....He is watching over His word to perform it. Could...

Just go back and read my post again. More carefully this time.

The specific question was about paying taxes to Rome, nothing more. The general principle Jesus answered with is to give what we owe to the governing authority but give to God what we owe to God, which is of far greater value than mere money, being all that we have and are. No idea where you...

Why aren't you posting the entire sentence? You've taken it out of context which completely changes my meaning.

Is there something wrong with being "evangelically bent"....? Surely that is the commission Jesus gave to His church. The Law was given before Jesus and before the Holy Spirit was given. Surely that counts for something in the lives/hearts of those who have received Him by faith not of our...

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's was about paying your taxes and obeying the laws, nothing more. Submit to the governing authorities is not a command or instruction for the church to try and change those authorities. There are always plenty of people of the world engaged in activism. Sure, we...

Yes, I've seen it. Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks, or in this case, the picture speaks. I hope this isn't presumptuous to talk about out loud.......only God knows anyone's true motives at bottom....but I have wondered if his conscience is starting to trouble him now that he...

Yes, obey the laws and pay the taxes, honour the authorities. As long as it doesn't cross a line into offending the Lord and disobeying HIS laws. Now, what about unjust laws that threaten survival? Would believers be obliged in God's sight to obey such laws? For example, in the days of serfs...

Amen. Yes, it is the Lord who is sending/allowing delusion as judgment on a world and church that rejects Him, His truth...essentially giving them over to the devil and bondage. It's very much a heart issue that goes way beyond/above mere political opinions, and the consequences will be reaped.

The instruction is to submit to the laws of the land..............but nowhere is the church instructed to involve ourselves or be exercised about or insert ourselves into the government affairs of a world we are not of and are just passing through. Governments as "minister of God" speaks to...

Sure sounds like these Popes are of the world, doesn't it.

Amen. I pray the Lord to be with His people who will be living through those times, which aren't far away....that His grace and strength and peace be with them mightily, that the Lord would give them a vision of what awaits them in eternity, to hold onto, and that they remain faithful even unto...

Amen. And the people who love to have it so....who give their power to someone other than God....will bear their responsibility for it.

Yes we are to give honour to whom it is due....to those God places in position of authority. We need the reminder in these days. And this is why not even the angels revile Satan. Daniel is a good example to look at........how he gave due honour to Nebby as king, but also drew the line when it...

Sleight of hand like a magician...now you see it now you don't. Hands (mouth) always in motion. Remember that magicians and their magic are aligned with the dark side. Saying one thing one minute and something else another, and people only take away what they want to believe while ignoring...