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You still have it backwards. Solomon was NOT a righteous king. He's listed among the evil kings in the Bible, and the 2 reasons given for that are (1) that he tolerated and built the high places, and (2) that he allowed all his foreign wives to drag him into the worship of their gods. The...

There's no history in that period. But Eden is a real geographical place, anyway. Uh... already given. Granted it's an argument from silence, so not a proof. But logically sound anyway. Yes, not only did they trade within Israel, but Solomon gave a few cities of northern Israel to Hiram, in...

Agreed. I think you missed on this bit. I find the "guardian cherub" of v.14 to be a callback to the story in Genesis 3, where God stationed a cherub with a flaming sword at the entrance of Eden, to prevent Adam and Eve from returning to the Garden. That doesn't come out of the blue, as the...

I think I agree... Stars are heavenly but I wouldn't call them divine. Kings and captains certainly aren't divine. So only one of the 3 types of angels is divine

All kings are angels. The Hebrew words for the two are basically identical for a reason. But if you want an example of one of the other types of angel sinning... that's not in the Bible. The closest you'll get is Jude 1. By combining "angels who kept not their first estate" and "wandering...

Uh... this one? Ezekiel 28? We agree the Prince of Tyre is a man. But he's also a metaphorical angel, because he's a Prince. Or how about Annas and Caiaphas in the New Testament? Certainly they were rulers of the Jewish people. Certainly they turned the temple into a house of merchandise...

You yourself said that angels travel between heaven and earth. Didn't you bring up the "ministering spirits" in Heb 1? We could talk of Jacob's ladder, or Gabriel's announcing the births of Jesus and John. I think you already believe in this sort of angel. I'm less sure we agree on...

If there's something in particular for which you'd like to know the source, just say so and I'll attempt to give it. However, I dislike providing proof-texts of the book-chapter-verse variety. I think doctrines should be based on a preponderance of Scripture; not single verses. Should you...

The Prince of Tyrus was a "fallen angel" after the metaphor we discussed previously, and yes his "fall" had to do with materialism. There are others as well - a series of rulers who "fell" for the same reason. It's logical to think that there is an evil spirit that links them all. I'm not...

Those men who are messengers of God. All the churches of Asia Minor in Revelation had one.

I read Adam & Eve symbolically, but that doesn't mean that what-is-symbolized aren't literal peoples and things. As I read it, Adam is Edom (aka Esau). Those are the same word in Hebrew. Why did we translate them differently? Eden is the Beqaa valley. It literally can only be entered (from...

Yes No, but that misconception is pretty common. The church misreads the New Testament with regard to temptation. Modern eyes read that to mean he tries to entice us. The underlying word doesn't mean enticement, though - it means a test (krisis). The NT's devil doesn't try to sweet-talk...

Those various adversaries ARE satans (plural, small-s, no definite article). I think there's an argument to be made that most of them are all tied together by a certain spirit. I identified it above as the love-of-money. These cities and their rulers move in the same ways - they are cities of...

I think you need a distinction there between the angels of heaven, and those of the earth. Those "angels" who are earthly men don't seem to be infallible.

Not all. Jewish mysticism from after the split of Judaism and Christianity is profoundly anti-Christian. On the other hand, there shouldn't be a 400-year gap between the OT and NT. The literature from that period deserves to be looked at and evaluated on its merits (or lack thereof).

It doesn't seem controversial.... ancient Tyre is today a ruin. Anyone can Google this and see that it's true Ezekiel makes a lot of references to Genesis but doesn't mention ever actually mention Satan. I don't think Ezekiel "introduces" new revelations - he assumes that his reader...

You went minimalist... probably a good starting place. Eze 28 is a prophecy directed against the King of Tyre, a Phoenician city-state. (That isn't so interesting.) But it gets interesting when Ezekiel relates it to Genesis. According to Ezekiel, the "Prince of Tyrus" was IN Eden. He WAS...

I'd be interested in that. Perhaps in a new topic? I fancy that I know something about this chapter, too. I may be a tough audience

Ezekiel 28 seems to identify the angel that blocks the way to the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life as being the enemy. Compare: 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth with... Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of...

I interpret the early bits of Genesis as non-literal. Most everyone hates when I do that, but since you asked.. The serpent here is a symbol of worldly-wisdom, as I reckon it. Satan does appear in Gen 3, but he isn't the snake...