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I understand that many in the church have studied their whole lives and not one will ever say they know it all. I surely don't. But what I do know is that he comes for the Church after the seals, not before. That is because scripture tell's us that, not because it's something I believe that I...

@rebuilder 454 and @The Light The point is, here were 2 examples that both have a resurrection happening in the Kingdom. Is there a third to match these 2? Yes. The third proof that backs the 2 posted also has a judgment and a reward in the kingdom. Rev 11:18, after the kingdoms of this world...

What does being spiritually ready have to do with pre-tb? You replied to: If pre-trib rapture is actual Truth from Above = you should be able to show forth this 'truth' whereby ALL can SEE. What you quoted has nothing to do with pre-tb; zero zilch nada. Were all supposed to remain awake and ready.

No, you stated, Well, here's what happens at the end of the 6th seal. Revelation 6 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; You made a statement and linked it to the saying, the day of his wrath has come. Now, you might not have meant it that way, but I did not put words in your mouth, you...

Here are 2..I can give more. 2 Timothy 4:1 - At his appearing in his Kingdom Isaiah 25:6-8 Notice in this mountain, the same mountain of Daniel 7:14 When will he swallow up death in victory? In this mountain! What does it refer to? 1 Cor 15:52-55

They are not the church but they are for God's wrath? How is that possible? They are blessed: Rev 14:13 They keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus per Rev 14:12 Therefore they are sealed with the HS till the day of redemption (Ephesians 1:14) because it is the downpayment...

By your logic, the great day of God's wrath comes when the 6th seal is opened. That means the 6th seal is wrath, the 7th seal is wrath and everything after. And that is not accurate. The point is, the earth dwellers recognize an event at the 6th seal and they announce they think its God's wrath...

They’re not trumpets of wrath. The first four are not even woes! Think about that a moment:They arnt even woes yet you call them wrath on mankind. No different than Pre-TBers calling the seals wrath and disregarding OT texts that say otherwise. Here’s a question: According to the Bible, When...

I'd go a step further Ronald. I'd say parts are and parts are not. But if we said Revelation 6-20 are completely chronological in sequence, no it is not. Some chapters have a chronological component but are not sequential. Others are not and give additional information of a subject. Example...

A couple of points to make. The 144k are first fruit Jews as you say. And who is a Jew? Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Romans 10:12 For there is no...

You didn’t show me anything. What you did was tell me what you thought. Christ is not shown to return at or directly after the 6th seal. What OT scripture does say is that he declares his majesty and rises up in order to perform his judgment after that event. He doesn’t leave heaven till the...

There is only 1 more coming. As soon as you introduce 2 more comings, you strayed from hermeneutical texts.

What is being omitted? Do you not understand what we represent?

Yes, the dead rise first. And that event happens at his coming and his kingdom per 2 Tim 4:1 When does Christ Kingdom come in Revelation because it doesn’t happen on a Pre-TB timeline

It seems to me you’re not thinking about the words. You’re assuming when it says immediately after the tribulation of those days, that the son of man comes immediately after the signs. It doesn’t say that. The only thing immediate after tribulation of those days is the signs in the sun, moon...

You made 2 more advents. He only comes back for one more advent. Only one more return. He does not leave heaven till the restoration of all things. That means he doesn’t leave heaven at the 6th seal and returns to heaven and then leaves it again at the end of the trumpets when nothing is...

It’s not my doctrine as I created it, It was Paul’s.

Romans clearly states Israel according to the flesh (ex.Jews today that identity as Israelites) are not the children of God nor are they partakers of the promises. Israelites of the spirit, Jew and Gentile, are Abrahams seed, children of God and inherit the promises. There is only 1 group as...

Most understand this as a sign is given, not a sign on their persons. Most translations do not take it the way you’re presenting it here. What is accurate is that they will go out as missionaries, but most believe this is referring to the apostles

Matthew 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? Matthew 24:6-7 see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against...