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    the 7th Trump

    Replace the one? We are joined to them. We don’t replace them. You’re separating them into 2 groups. Christian and Jew. I am not. Those that are broken off are not currently the children of God; though that can change. If the gathering is from heaven, how do the dead hear his voice only in the...
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    the 7th Trump

    Obviously they are blown. What is their purpose? You say they are wrath. Where in all of scripture are trumpets the wrath of God? Do you have any OT sources?
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    the 7th Trump

    @The Light What is the purpose of the Trumpet's?
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    the 7th Trump

    What happened to there is no difference between Jew or Greek? But you keep trying to separate God's people into 2 different genetics. God shows no partiality with his children. We are all one in Christ. Secondly, is the rapture greater than the resurrection? Because you seem to mention it (and...
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    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Have you not read Revelation 19? The bride isnt even ready to wear the white linen till Christ begins to reign, at the 7th trumpet. Which, I may add, is at the end. Have you never read that we resurrect at the last day? We are never promised Heaven (God's throne), we are only promised paradise...
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    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    God's wrath on mankind is not when Anti-Christ goes forth to conquer. (Insert: He does use other's/armies to do his will though.) Why? Because after the Man of Sin has had 42 mo's, it says at the end of Rev 11 it is time to destroy those that destroy the earth. Constantly, people assume all the...
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    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    You may want to read it again. 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    That does not mean he left the Earth. No different then taking a cruise on carnival or flying in a plane. Still on Earth, just over water. Well, I partly agree. The fullness of the Gentiles comes in before his out poured wrath begins in the bowls. If you notice, the saints are seen in the 5th...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    He left the Earth? That is science fiction. How does Christ cause us to leave Earth BEFORE the seals are opened? The seals contain the scroll. If it's not opened, nothing happens. Better yet, if you're suggesting we are in heaven before any seal is opened, that conflicts with Job 14:12. Man...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    That is not accurate. God instructed Noah to collect clean and unclean animals in order to "keep seed alive". 2Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3Of fowls also of the air by sevens...
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    Is the last antichrist beast a dead man made alive again?

    I disagree, you will continue to believe what you want. There is only 1 person named in that context and it was the King of Babylon. Here are excerpts from others: Few English readers realise the fact that it is the king of Babylon, and not the devil, who is addressed as Lucifer. Lucifer is...
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    Rapture : On the Horizon

    Don't you go off world for 7 years before anything bad happens? That doesn't seem like needing a light before the darkness comes.
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    Rapture : On the Horizon

    You’re absolutely correct. We are to “watch” in Matthew 24:42 But we were given things to watch for so we know when the son of man was close! The same is said in Matthew 25:13 All 10 virgins needed lamps lit w/oil for the night. All 10 slept when it was darkness and the groom came at a late...
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    2 Months and 1/2 Are Left Until the Two Witnesses of Revelation Appear

    There will always be false prophets, false predictions till Christ comes. Sadly, they give the Christian title a bad name when their prophecies fail to come true. Secondly, their testimony is ruined and all that believed them. Lastly, it’s much harder to win people to Christ when the view of...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    VCO, Why put him on ignore? He’s as passionate about it as you are. We are asking you to look at the text. That’s why I asked what comes “after” the 69th week. What was the covenant given? I know you’ve studied Daniel… David is trying to show you but setting up a wall of defense by the ignore...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, After the 69th week is over/complete shall he be slain. That puts him in the 70th week. We are assured it in verse 27; And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    But Daniel says he’s slain after the 69 weeks. Therefore, he died in the 70th week. If this week is the 69th week, hypothetically(I’m not talking about 7 year sabbaths), and next week is the 70th, how do you understand someone that says after the 69th week I’ll be slain? It couldn’t be the...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    @David in NJ Here’s a better question. Not against you, just a general question to anyone Why do people put all their energy into a rapture? The single greatest, most taught event, was the resurrection of the dead. Not the harpazo. Though the harpazo was revealed and Paul wrote on it, it...
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    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Let’s talk about this unfulfilled 7 years. Which week did Christ die? 69th or 70th? And which week was sacrifice abolished in the midst of it?
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