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  1. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    The two witnesses leave this earth on day 1263.5. An earthquake takes place. And then the seventh trumpet sounds. The seventh trumpet sounding... 1. announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, Revelation 8:13 - Satan cast down to earth having great wrath knowing he has but a...
  2. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    No, you recall incorrectly. The beast in all three chapters is the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7 - the Roman Empire. Revelation 17 beast with the seven heads and ten horns is the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7 - the Roman Empire - it's status at the time of John, 1st century. In Revelation 12, the...
  3. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Spiritualizing the two witnesses as being the church ? The church as being symbolically dead ? In a prior post you said the two witnesses are two churches, a Jewish church and Gentile church. It is easy to understand why you can't, don't want to, make timeline charts.
  4. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Taking the mark will be a matter of an individual's choice. There will be pressure to take the mark - because of the law that will be passed that to buy or sell, a person must have the mark of the beast, the number of the beast, the name of the beast. Taking the mark, the number, or the...
  5. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Cite the bible verse that has "spiritual Babylon" in it that backs up your statement. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=spiritual+Babylon&bsec=&order=0&s=1 https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=spiritual+Israelite&bsec=&order=0&s=1
  6. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Babylon in Revelation 18 is talking about the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels. Revelation 18 compares the fall of Satan's kingdom to that of a great trading city. Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
  7. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The first beast in Revelation 13 represents the kingdom of the beast-king. The beast-king is the mortally wounded but healed head. Which in the rest of the text of Revelation the king is simply called "the beast". The second beast in Revelation 13 is the false prophet. Those two men...
  8. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    We were talking about the two witnesses laying dead in the street in Revelation 11. Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. ...not Babylon. Jerusalem was tiny in the...
  9. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Churches are the body of Christ. Churches are comprised of many members. The two witnesses in Revelation 11 are two individuals.
  10. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The two witnesses bodies will lay dead in the street of Jerusalem. Two individuals. Not millions of people making up a Jewish church and a Gentile church .
  11. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    What verse in Revelation 11 are you reading the great city "Babylon" ? Jesus was crucified at Golgotha which was outside of the wall surrounding first century Jerusalem. Today, Golgotha is well within modern day Jerusalem.
  12. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The two witnesses in Revelation 11 are two individuals because when killed their bodies will lay dead in the street of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days before being brought back to life and called up to heaven.. The two witnesses in Revelation 11 are not the seven churches.
  13. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The seven churches are metaphorically called seven candlesticks - because they are as a light unto the world. Now go back to my post #1203. I wrote, regarding the two witnesses, "The two witnesses will be as a light unto the world." Same as the seven churches are as a light unto the...
  14. Douggg

    Four questions makes me a robot

    No, Daniel 8:25 applies to the time of the end little horn person who will be come the beast-king - who will attempt to "stand up" (a phrase meaning attempt to make war against) against Jesus, the Prince of princes. 25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and...
  15. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    No, the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are two individuals. They will preach in Jerusalem, where at the end of their 1260 days of testimony will be killed and their bodies will lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. At end of the 3 12 days, God brings them back to life and...
  16. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    Davy, in Zechariah 14, Jerusalem is not made desolate, unlike Luke 21:20-23. Zechariah 14 is end times. Differently, Luke 21:20-23 was 70ad. Jesus in verse 4 stands on the Mt. of Olives, His return. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before...
  17. Douggg

    Four questions makes me a robot

    The end of the beast-king is that he will get cast alive into lake of fire in Revelation 19:20. The beast-king will be on the temple mount when that happens. Antiochus IV was not cast alive into the lake of fire. Antiochus IV is not the time of the end beast-king.
  18. Douggg

    The "watch rapture view"

    No, the seven vials of God's wrath will be poured out over an approximate 600 days period before Jesus returns.
  19. Douggg

    Four questions makes me a robot

    Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him. The glorious holy mountain is the temple mount in Jerusalem. On the temple mount is where the time of the end beast-king will...
  20. Douggg

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The metaphor of the two witnesses being the two olive trees is that olive oil comes from olives trees. And the candlesticks provide light by burning olive oil. The two witnesses will be as a light unto the world.