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    Christians who hate Israel

    I think I understand what you have been trying to say now. ( Just recovering from a virus that I've had for nearly two weeks, so maybe that has been clouding my thinking, that combined with aging, lol.). Agree that iniquity can begin expressing itself very early on.......although I'm not sure...
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    Christians who hate Israel

    God always has a remnant. There have always been many very righteous and faithful saints among them, who we may be privileged to meet in heaven one day. And it isn't for us to judge and curse them, that is for God to decide...we are not qualified. I highly doubt that any "Gentile" nation in...
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    Christians who hate Israel

    We need to be very careful of tarring every individual with the same broad brush. Governments are not the people, or at least not all of them. Israel has political divisions and conflict much like we have here in the west.....not everyone agrees with what their government is doing, just like...
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    Christians who hate Israel

    There is plenty of sin and wrong to go around for both genders I have no doubt. And just want to point out.....the bible says Adam was with Eve when she had that conversation with the serpent and ate the cursed fruit......but I am not sure what we are to conclude from that.
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    Do you approve of U.S. President Trump meeting with Syrian leader (former Arab Muslim militant) at White House??

    Yes,......they are not grow up yet and that is why there are laws protecting minors who legally cannot consent. Many of them had been sexually or emotionally abused etc, as children prior to them meeting up with the current or latest perpetrator, so they were already vulnerable. There are evil...
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    Christians who hate Israel

    Yes, that is saying a lot.....sounds like he was privy to information that could get a person killed, huh. This world is much sicker than I used to know.
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    Christians who hate Israel

    But what about the power of a man over a woman? Who has more power? "your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over you". Gen 3:16
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    Christians who hate Israel

    I'm turning 68 shortly. Was a child in the '60's and a teen in the '70's. Graduated high school in '76. Grew up in Ontario, Canada.....moved to a smallish town when I was 11. Never knew any sexually matured 12 year olds that I know of, much less any who would have been mentally/emotionally...
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    Christians who hate Israel

    ok, what IS it about then? What is the point you are trying to make? My mind is boggled. To start with I can't fathom a 12 year old child "craving sex with older men"....that sounds like a pedophile's fantasy to me.
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    Christians who hate Israel

    This conversation is disturbing to say the least. Up until recently we've been living in a more civilized and less "rugged" society due to being at least nominally Christianized and under greater blessing. Life was shorter and more brutal in ancient times and it appears that perhaps children...
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    Christians who hate Israel

    No doubt Israelite girls of marriageable age would have been taught those verses of the bible. But I'm not sure they would have spoken to children about such things. Victims of abuse are usually traumatized and can be confused about what happened to them for a very long time....not even...
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    How Important is doctrine? Part 1

    No, Jesus spoke about personal righteousness.....He said that the Jews were missing the kingdom and the gospel because they were seeking to establish their own personal righteousness through the Law instead of submitting to the righteousness of God/Christ. Personal righteousness cannot save...
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    How Important is doctrine? Part 1

    Rom 4:3-8 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for...
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    How Important is doctrine? Part 1

    I don't know what you are spinning or why, but it isn't the GOSPEL. It says plainly in black and white in Rom 4:6 that righteousness is imputed to us without works. No one has to prove themselves righteous before righteousness being imputed to them. It is entirely based on faith....a free...
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    How Important is doctrine? Part 1

    Paul goes on to expound this righteousness that is by faith in the passages that follow, Ch. 4.....calling it imputed. Which part of that passage are you arguing with?
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    How Important is doctrine? Part 1

    I have made my point and you have done with it what you willed. There is potential for pride and smugness etc, no matter who believes that those verses about the imputed righteousness of God apply to them. That is why Paul exhorted as he did in Phil 3....a word to the perfect to be of the...
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    How Important is doctrine? Part 1

    You're being coy....as you well know I was not agreeing with your statement. Those scriptures were written for us to believe and receive. It's safe to assume the apostle didn't bring that enlightenment for no reason. And if it's not right for "lower walk" believers to believe/receive it, then...
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    How Important is doctrine? Part 1

    okay, so it's prideful and not humble for "lower walk" believers to believe imputed righteousness applies to themselves, but it is perfectly fine and not prideful or lacking humility when "higher walk" believers believe it applies to them.....and even solely to them to boot? Hmmm... In no way...
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    Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

    Amen. Mystery Babylon, which ancient Babylon stood for......spiritual captivity and mixture......is going to be judged. Just as apostate Jerusalem of the first century, 70 AD, was also an example to the church. Hesitate to say but I think we all need to be prepared..... I'm reminded of a...
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    Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

    I believe the point is that while the bible is not forbidden to be read, most are not reading the bible for themselves prayerfully and with the illumination of the Holy Spirit, but selectively with the carnal mind and through the slanted lenses of the teachings of their favourite teachers...