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    The third way (Arminianism v Calvinism)

    @Christian Soldier wrote on another thread: "Every Christian hold to one of the two views. The fact that you reject Reformed theology, means that you hold to Arminian theology. I would be interested to hear about a third option, but I won't hold my breath as nobody has ever found it thus far...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    It's rather more complicated than this. From my studies, it seems that it is common for one to lose the 'blessing' a few times till one becomes established. The pillar remaining in the temple. It seems that both Peter and Paul were established after their 'errors' as nothing further is...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    "Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." (Galatians 5:24) On second thoughts, I think that saying transcends flesh can be misleading as it leaves an option for it to remain alive, whereas Paul says death to it. I think that it goes a long...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I am allowed to have off topics removed.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Job sacrificed for his sons but not himself, as he knew that sacrifice was only required for those without faith in God alone for their salvation and not dependent on works. Well apart from asking for salvation. I rest in the fruitfulness of my love for my Saviour. Indeed and all of these...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    @Christian Soldier @GodsGrace
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Please move a discussion about Calvinism to another thread thank you.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Yes agreed. The ones that taught it - and not the majority as you say, were on the same spiritual 'wavelength' as me and were interpreting certain scriptures on the subject, in the same way that I believe God had taught me, and explaining that it had happened to them. The wolves certainly came...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I haven't spent a lot of time reading them, no, they are very hard to read at times. I have read them though secondary sources too. I found them because of my own experience of Theosis and thought that it should be taught by them, and it was. That is not to say that I go outside of scripture. I...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Of course, but the question in such a state is 'how do I get out of the flesh?' which was Pauls'. Yes I like the phrase 'transcendant'. One one has been there, it is never forgotten and one never ceases to long for it again, out of love for God. He is speaking of his martyrdom which was...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    You said 'But don't you add a third condition, someone who has been called but not reborn yet?' so I took it you meant predestination. I see now what you did mean. David was convicted of sin, then repented I assume. Having given this some thought, I wonder whether the ones who were not coming...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I have no wish to dispute what Tom Plumb said. I disagreed with him over various things. However I agree about the consecration of our whole selves. We do not need to know our hearts - just submit ourselves to whatever will befall us thereafter, having come to the end of ourselves and our...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    No I am not epi. There are various levels of being unsaved but they are all in that category. Called? I am no Calvinist. That was before David was confronted by Nathan Paul under house arrest? Impossible for man to restore such a man but not impossible for God. Peter was restored? I...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    epi reminded me of it. You have misunderstood my meaning of desperation. It is only those who hate even their unintentional sins as much as God does, who are delivered from them like St Paul. The rest just settle down into 'gradual sanctification'. The scriptures that I would quote are the...
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    Why cant these just pass

    The person who helped me was Adam Mussa: [email protected] and I paid £27 for the 5 day course.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    @marks This site may be of some interest and help: https://enterhisrest.net/ I knew Tom before he died and had many long discussions with him. His theology is the western one and there were some areas we had disagreements, but in the main there is much that can be useful on his site.
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    Why cant these just pass

    Therapy can help with imprinted scenes of trauma, I followed one yesterday and the result is that the scene that my mind had held since last Christmas (a family affair) and could not stop it intruding, has diminished, within the 30 mins of the exercise to remove it to the extent that it is just...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    @marks on the three options: scripture says throughout that man is saved or lost, a sinner or a saint. You are giving three options, the third being that he is saved yet sins.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    It is throughout scripture that men are in two classes spiritually. If it was so with one man then the idea that no-one was baptized and walked in the Spirit in OT times, cannot be correct. There is obviously a difference between them. Are all men like asses because God used one? Right...