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@Lizbeth @marks @GodsGrace @MatthewG Romans 7. In returning to Romans 7, the correct interpretation of which is vital for one wishing to understand the doctrine this thread is about, and which is found in the early church writings as Theosis and much later in the west as entire...

It is what is left when the error is taken away and what is left does not contradict scripture (but not proof texting). It happens when you can discern the voice of God when you have reached that stage of spiritual growth of which I have spoken of on other threads.

I agree absolutely, that we must bring everything we hear from God directly, under the direction of scripture. It is always secondary for me to me to take early teachings into consideration. It becomes a problem though when people speak from their denominational understanding of texts...

I agree that there is a danger of eastern mysticism spilling over into Christian mysticism, which is nothing but being sensitive to hearing the voice of God, obeying what He says, and becoming more deeply intimate with Him. This is simplicity itself, much more than studying biblical doctrine...

To be set aside, is a part of it. but in the OT, items, a type and shadow of His people, were not only set aside, but cleansed.

I have had this happen often. Once I interpreted the obstacles as the devil wanting to stop me doing something which I thought was God's will, and it made me more determined, but I was fooled and saw it was in fact the enemy wanting me to be in a harmful situation. But we can be assured that...

Okay I will pray for you.

Yes of course not. See in the eyes of the spirit.

Why are you leaving @MatthewG ?

@MatthewG Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Matt 5:8 So if we are not operating from a pure heart, this scripture says, we will be blind in our sins. Here are some more verses: 2 Corinthians 7:1 ESV Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from...

Thank you MatthewG. I agree, we will never be perfect in the flesh, but we are commanded to be in the Spirit instead. What does a 'pure heart' mean to you? Please everyone keep on topic thanks. Johann has been removed for high-jacking the thread.

@Johann wrote: Now since you have committed an act of sin, by calling me "dishonest" you need to repent, come back on track, and study to show yourself a woman approved by rightly cutting straight the D'var of YHVH. I think rather it should be you repenting, as I did not accuse you, I only...

@Johann wrote: The Old Man is Crucified, but Still Present: Paradoxical? Romans 6:6 says that the old man has been crucified with Christ, but this doesn’t mean it has been eradicated or surgically removed from our being. The verb "crucified" (συνεσταυρώθη synestaurōthē) indicates that the power...

It is not easy to explain or understand. It is completely gone yes in order for a man to be in Christ in reality not just in position. But it can come back.

Sorry but a bit busy. I think that Utley misses the reason why Paul wrote Romans 6, 7 & 8. It was written to answer the perennial problem of how does a believer stop sinning. Some will not bother asking that question. They have quenched the Holy Spirit. The rest will go into the dark night...

Baptism of the Spirit is the gateway into Christ and Christ cannot abide where there is sin so yes.

He gets a bit of the truth but finds it hard to include it in his theology. Good preacher though.

I am an ex-Calvinist remember. They were not wrong about everything. I have listened to every sermon that MLJ preached.

What has been described, is a Christianity without the cross. Crucified with Christ means a definite consent to losing our lives. If we have reached the crisis (dark night) and we consented, there is no more sin. If the old man is destroyed (contested endlessly by theologians using the Greek...

@marks wrote: If by "something we do" you include the recognition of facts. As we can see from the previous quotation, it is not just 'the recognition of facts'. And this is the exact point where popular evangelical theology is in error. Statistics prove that most people identified as...