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That's not fair. I've never accused a man or "men" of being "satanists." Don't put words in my mouth, MA. That's the POINT though, MA. There ARE many bad ones out there!! Unfortunately, too many women are as I WAS. If I go on a date with someone, and discover during dinner that he's...

So you ADMIT that you DO in fact, submit TO ONE ANOTHER. That's a lot different than what you're explaining.

Why do you keep doing this? I never said that "men" have broken my spirit! I'm not speaking about ALL men. But I HAVE had a number of unhappy experiences with men. Once I opted out of the whole relationship arena (10+ years ago), it's like I wore a beacon over my head! Some of these guys...

If you had wisdom, you wouldn't be asking that question.

Ooooo, I'm liking this already! I have a similar story, but I'll let you finish first! On occasions. Key phrase. I DO understand what you're saying though. So cool of the smart boss to stand up for you! O.k. I'm with you so far... OMG!!! :Laughingoutloud: You had me going there for a...

Would a husband ask himself the same question? What means more to my husband, his wife or his job? Would Jesus hold my husband's employment higher than me, his wife? Or maybe a better question is, What Would Jesus Do?

What in the world are you talking about? I'm not losing my temper. Simply telling you that not all men have the heart of Christ.

First of all, we're not "girls." We're WOMEN. (Yes, I'm yanking your chain...lovingly.) The problem is that it's not a SMALL minority of men who treat women with contempt and disrespect. Four percent is a small minority. Forty-nine percent is still a minority, but is it "small"? Are you SURE...

It's not about exceptions nor is it about our ego; it's about us having the WISDOM to be able to discern when to submit and when NOT to. Let's add a little depth to this quaint story. In addition to *me* having a boss at work, I have a spouse at home that I need to submit to...

Not about toward men....// It's about men who DON'T FOLLOW CHRIST...... ...Which you don't

Yes...you ARE.

Yup. And they misuse the Bible to justify their actions.

And what's your point?

Maybe try reading the WHOLE Bible...and stop cherry-picking verses, taking them out of context. Ahhh, but you're too ego BLIND to do that. You so obviously don't want to be subject to a woman....then don't subject a woman to YOU! Jesus was a REBEL. He brought about new ideas that others...

Exception?? Are you SERIOUS???? God is NOT controlling your heart. Your EGO is...

No, I'M not reading into text. It's YOU who is doing that! The Bible DOES NOT SAY "UNCONDITIONALLY!" Wrong again. But I won't attempt to explain it. Obviously, you're a power-hungry man who wants to lord whatever power you THINK was God-given over his wife. The kind of man that most women...

Riiiiiight. And how many times does she have to endure physical beatings, emotional distress, sexual violence before he's "won over"? I've read what you've written here. Obviously, you're not "won over" yet...

Unfortunately, many a man thinks that 'love' is just a feeling...and not an action. Ohhh, they claim to 'love' her...and yet put her down, tell her no one else would want her...insult her weight, breast size, clothing (even though modest), her cooking, child rearing, her job.... But they...

No it doesn't. Again, that's YOUR interpretation. Paul DOES say that "IF a woman separates from her husband...." which means that she she's allowed to separate from her husband...no matter what HE says. If she wants to separate, she doesn't have to obey him if he says, 'No! You can't LEAVE...

This is what I think what Grailhunter was saying in post #24, page 2 of this thread. When Ephesians was written, a women was considered to be property of her father first, and then of her husband. So, it would make more sense that a wife would submit to her husband. But even then, the bible...