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    The curious case of John 5:4

    Big time. When Gene Robinson, who is openly gay, became Bishop here in New Hampshire, many left the Episcopal Church.
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    The curious case of John 5:4

    Yeah, I weighed in on that a while ago in Post #34: Textual critics need jobs too!
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    The curious case of John 5:4

    Yup, Scripture trumps the other two in any case of inconsistency (which really shouldn't even arise with tradition). But you make a good point in questioning the veracity of Scripture when it runs headlong into "reason" -- itself a matter of debate among so-called reasonable folks.
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    The curious case of John 5:4

    Neither do most mainline Protestant denominations. They believe there is metaphor and hyperbole to be found in the Bible. (Example: 2 Samuel 2:18 states that “Asahel was as swift of foot as a wild gazelle” (2 Samuel 2:18). Taken literally, this means Usain Bolt would have had no chance against...
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    When Did the Gospels First Become “Scripture?”

    When the gospels were written in the mid- and late-First Century, Christians didn’t instantly consider them “Scripture.” That took a while. But long before the Biblical canon was fixed in the Fourth Century, a consensus started to develop. Gospels were copied and circulated, and eventually...
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    The curious case of John 5:4

    Episcopalians like myself refer to this triad as sources of authority: Scripture, tradition and reason. Authority, Sources of (in Anglicanism)
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    Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

    Well, that's pretty condescending! Try my question, please. John 5:28-29, and Matthew 6:14, have verses that say "If you do X, then Y results." If you do X, then you are resurrected to life. If you do X, then your sins will be forgiven. No qualification is attached to these verses. And...
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    Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

    So, John 5:28-29 is literally untrue, and must be qualified? Ditto for Matt. 6:14 ("“For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you”)? How many others?
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    Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

    Then good works resurrect the worker to life and evil works resurrect the worker to condemnation, end of story? Regardless of belief in Christ? That needs some explanation. So, back to @ChristinaL who said What do you think? Still an immediate judgment, or is "the hour" coming for that?
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    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    Michael Holmes' Introduction to Ignatius's letters in The Apostolic Fathers: Greek Texts and English Translations has a decent explanation at pp. 171-173. He is of the view that we can identify the authentic Ignatian letters as the middle recension of three versions, not two. (My Greek isn't...
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    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    I have it open in front of me. I cannot tell from the comparison whether the longer version adds to the original, or the shorter version edited the original. For example, Chapter I adds "even as does the Lord of all. For says [the Scripture}, 'He Himself took our infirmities, and bore our...
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    Were Jesus's brothers born of another woman?

    I meant can you show me the alterations in Ignatius's writings? Which words were tampered with?
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    Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

    John 5:28-29 (NRSV) says: "Do not be astonished at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and will come out—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." Those of us who...
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    Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

    That's fine. My point was simply that those "many places" don't include Heb. 9:27.
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    Why do you believe that, after death, it's too late for Jesus to save people?

    You read more into this verse than I do. To me, it says only that judgment will follow death. It tells me nothing about how long a time elapses between those two events, or whether the dead are conscious and capable of repentance in that interim time. (By the way, I think the answer is No...
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    The curious case of John 5:4

    I haven't a clue what "problem" needs solving here. I'm happy to assume -- because it is missing in Codex Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Bezae and the Vulgate -- that John 5:4 was not the original, and was added later by some scribe. So what? And I'm happy to assume -- as other early sources suggest...
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    Friendly Bible Study - participants must agree to Nicene Creed.

    Are you suggesting a hierarchy here? The Father, over the Son, over the Holy Spirit? The Son sitting at the Father's right hand and the Holy Spirit sitting at His left (a la The Ascension of Isaiah)?
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    There is only one true church

    Augustine didn't think Mary was without original sin. In Vol 2 of his Exposition of the Psalms, he states: “To put it briefly: Mary, descended from Adam, died because of sin. Adam died because of sin, and the Lord’s flesh, derived from Mary, died to abolish sins.” Expositions of the Psalms...
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    KJV departs from the Hebrew manuscripts

    An explained KJV error is still an error. Since the KJV translated the Textus Receptus, itself taken from the Byzantine Text, usually that explanation will be based on textual variations. Erasmus, Beza and Stephanus all had their own non-identical editions of the Textus Receptus, and it...