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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Seems you are isolating certain scriptures from it's "gospel environment". Then you get into the problem that the religious leaders under the Law had......how much "doing" justifies you? Tithe of your tiniest herbs? Don't do any work at all on the Sabbath, even to help people or animals in...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Genuine humility is a fruit of the SPIRIT.....very distinct and discernable from the kind of false "voluntary" and self-righteous humility that humans can produce.
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    lol, is that the "hopium" of the masses that Marx was talking about? Hopium is good, because it gives us the peace that passes understanding.
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Rom 8:9-10 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. From this I get...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    I think we need to consider that James wasn't speaking in a vacuum, but in light of the gospel....he was talking about works that proceed from faith......he wasn't talking about anyone being justified by their own works/righteousness apart from faith. Because he also said we show/prove our...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Amen. Sheep are not very clever. Wolves on the other hand are clever and wiley. Jesus knowingly sent us out as sheep among wolves. For the glory of God when we learn to rely on HIM, our good Shepherd.
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Assume what you wish. We still need to endeavour to apprehend that for which Christ apprehended us. But even Paul didn't consider that he had "attained". Perhaps you fell because the Lord wanted to teach you something about pride and vanity. That was Lucifer's downfall and I'm sure it was...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    I don't doubt that is certainly true of some....but you are wrong to assume that is true of everyone based solely on the fact that they disagree with you on some key points.
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Well I know for sure Jesus taught repentance. The gospel I have is built on the cornerstone and foundation of Christ and His righteousness, His Spirit/nature within the child of God, our new man. Christ in us, the hope of glory. A gospel built on one's own righteousness is a very unstable...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Amen. I havent' been able to follow the jist of the whole conversation, but we each are dealt our own measure of faith and grace, as the parable of the talents portrays. Some greater, some lesser. As well, there are different parts/members of the body of Christ, some greater, some lesser etc...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Is it different? Is that what the bible teaches? Haven't seen it taught anywhere. "They suffer, they hold on"........to what? Don't you know that there is suffering in the west too? The devil still persecutes the people of God and the Lord still chastises who He loves. Jesus came first to...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Twist things around if you will, but the point I am making is that you don't believe repentance is necessary for salvation. So kindly address the point if you wish to respond to my post.
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Epi says that people who don't know Christ can be saved by their own righteousness. Which of course means that they haven't repented, so therefore they are saved without repenting. To back this up he points out the verse that says Jesus died for the sins of the whole world..........so I was...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Can't drink from your well, sorry.
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    So you don't believe any repentance is necessary. If you take it that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world in a literal way and isolated from other truths, that means the most heinously wicked people in the world who are unrepentant and die in their sins will be saved and not perish...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Out of overflow of one's own heart, the mouth speaks, oh my.
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    It's very important to receive and understand that we HAVE been made the righteousness of God.........because the bible says as a man thinks, so is he. It is HIS righteousness and spirit in us, in our new man, that we are to draw from and learn to live through. If this were not so, God...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Hmmm....think we just need to understand that our new man has been born of Christ/God, His Spirit. And since it has been, it has been made in the image of He who created and gave birth to it. Just like Jesus was the express image of the Father. As John says, whoever is born of God cannot...
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    Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

    Epi doesn't believe that God has imputed His righteousness to us without works. Even though scripture PLAINLY says that. But in order to justify and try to prove his theology he presumes to take it upon himself unilaterally to re-translate parts of the bible. The verse I was referring to in...