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Your sarcasm aside I, unlike you, didn't obtain my "Celtic church" history from an anti-Catholic historian to learn the real history of the "Celtic church". I researched multiple, reliable and unbiased historians. You should try it sometime and put your sarcasm and degrading quips in the trash...

Thanks Redfan, I learned something thanks to you....You are right about the addition/change/clarification from Nicaea to Constantinople. It does not change the FACT that The Church has always taught the Trinity. So I am adding @Keiw to our conversation so that they can see that technically I...

Hey Brakelite, This post about the Celtic church and your theory that they did not submit to papal authority etc got me doing a lot of research the last several weeks. I started off with the book you mentioned by d'Aubigne's. There was no or very scant evidence in it that supports what you...

Hey Keiw, Did you look at the link I provided? If you had, you would see that you are wrong and that the Apostolic Fathers did speak of the Trinity. As a matter of FACT an Apostolic Father used the word Trinity in 181AD. If you knew your Christian history, you would know that. The Nicaean...

It appears as a statement to me.

YOUR OPENING POST: (their faith counted as righteousness is forgotten (Ez 18:24),

Nothing you just wrote has ANYTHING to do with God forgetting that we had faith. Thanks for your opinion......Mary

You quoted Ezekial and alleged that it said, "faith is counted as righteousness". Clearly it doesn't. Mary

This is the only way a Christian can fall away "irretrievably": I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the...

You didn't answer my question: Where do any of those verses say that "faith is counted as righteousness"?

Nope, not true. He does not forget that a person ever had faith. God doesn't have Alzheimer's. Thank you for your time.

Nope, not true. One can have faith but still commit sins. And if you don't atone for those sins, you fall away from grace. IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Help me out here GracePeace, 21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of...

Lol....YOU don't know Christian history OR the Apostolic Fathers very well: FACT: What the Early Church Believed: The Trinity AND the Nicene creed, which alludes to the Trinity, was composed at the Council of Nicen (325AD) which is 54 years before the council of Constantinople. Your...

People misunderstand Paul, as Peter says, and they come up with all this confusing incoherent arguments that are nonsense.

Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, IF you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you...

Thanks doctrox, Clearly you don't have any evidence to back up your false allegations which means what you wrote are your opinions. Thanks for your opinion. Mary

1. YOUR history of "Popes didn't exist unti 600AD" doesn't match up with actual history: Pope Siricius (d. 398) seems so to use it (Ep. vi in P.L., XIII, 1164), and Ennodius of Pavia (d. 473) employs it still more clearly in this sense in a letter to Pope Symmachus (P.L., LXIII, 69). 2...

Hey Brakelite, I am a history buff and have searched d'Aubigne's History of the Reformation concerning the Celtic church and I can't find anything about it in that book. I definitely would like "more insight" like you suggested. Did you perhaps reference the wrong book?

What do you think? Curious Mary