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Again, you prove you are not capable of engaging in discussion. I won't be responding to any more of your irrelevant rambling here.

If you don't like the topic, and you won't discuss it, then scram.

Irrelevant.

The OP has a video which expounds on the reality that OSAS was only known among the Gnostics early on, and how the early Church fought OSAS as part of fighting Gnosticism--I was hoping the thread could remain focused thereupon.

Though I haven't found a single honest believer in OSAS--they are, to a man or woman, incapable of honesty or consistency--part of the issue with "Behold" may be a language barrier. He has said he lives in Israel, so maybe English isn't his first language.

Strawberries don't taste like powder and butter. As far as vegan meat substitutes, I'm not really crazy about them. Nevertheless, the topic is about working through Biblical difficulties of the issue, not about preferences about flavors.

You're simply uninterested in engaging in the conversation, then, as always--ie, you want to come and vomit your ignorance, change the topic to what ever you please, not honor the topic, but be disorderly, per your usual. There is no "discussing" anything with you. The video, and the thread...

Yes, the Gnostics also taught "licentiousness" (which 1 John was, in part, written to refute), and, yes, the two (license and OSAS) may, on one hand, be related; however, for the purposes of this thread, the topic is OSAS, and how, in its history, we see that the Church fought against OSAS as...

You present ZERO refutation to the claims about church history made in the video--if you wanted to disagree with the historical claims, you would have to present historical counterevidence. However, surprise of all surprises, you have nothing at all of substance to say on the topic--per your...

It's a discussion on the history of the Church; the history is shared in the video presentation shared in the OP.

Have you availed yourself of the presentation, which expounds upon the topic of the discussion? If so, which of its historical claims (eg, OSAS is Gnosticism) do you contend--and on what basis? Again, this is a discussion about HISTORY, so you don't need to go into your views on how the Bible...

So, do you at all contest the claim that, early on, OSAS was a teaching recognized as having been unique to the Gnostics, but was foreign to the Church, which fought Gnostics and their OSAS?

Guys, please try to stay on topic, which is the idea that the early Church recognized OSAS as a heresy, and fought to debunk OSAS as a regular part of their fighting against the Gnostic heresy, because OSAS was only believed on by Gnostics. You're turning tangentials into the main topic. Please...

I think not a few of them actually get something out of what they believe, but when they try to explain what they believe, to try to help others get what ever they got, it's completely incoherent indefensible nonsense. I know Dr. Wright loves God (I wouldn't compare him to a Pharisee), I just...

Idk how it is controversial. He's a professor lol

I emailed Dr. Wright about this. He answers anyone's emails. He seemed genuinely shocked when I reminded him that Jesus's Name is "God Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6), and that that is what passages like Romans 3 are talking about. Like, "My whole career... ", since his whole career has been...

Unfortunately for you, I'm not Reformed, and, again, unfortunately for you, since you seem to parrot all of Wright, I am not seeing it as a "mysterious gas that can be transmitted across the court room"--if that's what you got from what I said, you missed what I said. What I am describing is...

Yeah, I know the typical N.T. Wright gobbledygook--the issue with Wright is he ignores the fact that "works of the Law" includes "do not covet" (Ro 7:7), it's not just "Jewish-people-specific-commands". He doesn't get to the heart of the issue. The heart of the issue is who is performing the...

What is the issue Paul has with Torah? It's that it is a form of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That was the first act of idolatry--and, lo and behold, what does the righteousness from the Law result in? Flesh boasting. Self-idolatry. Self-centeredness. That is why Paul has an issue...

Yeah, again, it boils down to whose righteousness--"a righteousness of my own from the Law" or "God's righteousness from faith to faith". Why "from faith to faith"? Because we both "begin" and "seek perfection" (Gal 3), and both are by faith.