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Amils don't dispute that these are meaning mortals. But not mortals after the 2nd coming followed by after the thousand years, but mortals after the thousand years followed by the 2nd coming. Their dispute is with the millennium being after the 2nd coming. It would be different if they agreed...

You have never used Revelation 3:8 to support that God hates Jews like that, that they are all going to hell since they are synagogue of satan? To be fair then to you, provide your interpretation of that verse so it is clearly on record for all to see. Meaning that maybe I was misunderstanding...

When you say something like that are you basically meaning something like this? The thousand years are applying to this age and at the beginning of the thousand years the NHNE become accessible, but spiritually speaking, not literally speaking. Then at the end of the GWTJ the NHNE is then...

Spiritually speak, of course they do. But Revelation 21-22 is not still meaning spiritually speaking. BTW, my view is that the LOF is upon the earth and that it is visible during the thousand years. And it appears that maybe Isaiah 66:24 supports that since they appear to be doing that on the...

I'll get back to the rest of Isaiah 60 later, maybe. In the meantime, prove then how what Jesus said in Revelation 3:8, where that is obviously referring to Isaiah 60:14, how He fulfills that before He returns not after He returns? Meaning when Jesus said this---Behold, I will make them of the...

Isaiah 65:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel. Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of...

I don't know what sense to take Zechariah 14:16-19 in pertaining to this no rain unless they come up year to year. All I know is, that it is meaning after Zechariah 14:12 has been fulfilled. And the fact they can be punished for not complying implies a rebellion is possible eventually. Which is...

Evidence? Point out in the OP where there is evidence from both the OT and NT that support what the OP alleges. Point out in the OP where there is evidence that nothing in the OT contradicts what the OP alleges. There are least two sides to every story. The OP is being one sided. The OP is doing...

Continued from previous post. Then there is Zechariah 14 to factor in. Why do you think Zechariah lied to us about any of those events? You apparently think he lied when he told us that there will be people remaining of the nations that came against Jerusalem, and that they can be punished for...

I have to break this down into two posts, though. It got rather lengthy once I started typing these things up. In your opinion then, everything should be determined from the NT alone? No one should use both testaments together in order to try and determine anything? What you are doing is...

I guess I meant post # 16.. I guess I thought the 6 was an 8 or something when I glanced at the number of it.

IMO, I think I laid out some pretty decent arguments in post # 18. Maybe some of that supports my thoughts on what I said that you don't see it meaning that. You are more than welcome to go through post # 18 and what I argued and point out any holes you perceive in what I argued. As to this...

I can see how you might arrive at that since I have considered that as well. In order for you to be correct you first need to show how the 7th trumpet and Revelation 11:19 can be the time of the 7th vial when the time of the 6th seal is is meaning the 7th trumpet, therefore, the first trumpet...

The first vial, for example, involves--and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. Obviously, this vial can't get poured out until first one beast rises out of the sea, another out of the earth, and that the...

What I'm beginning to think might be possible is, it's not so much we are looking at parallels, but are looking at continuations. If I am correct that Revelation 15:5 continues where Revelation 11:19 off, that would be a continuation not a parallel. Or maybe there are both throughout Revelation...

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. Revelation 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the...

First of all let's see if a case can be made that proves NOSAS is Biblical. Let's use the following Scripture to see if a case can be made. Then let's see if you are being honest or dishonest with the text. Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive...

That can't be correct, though. The middle of the 70th week is the beginning of great tribulation. According to Matthew 24:29 and the 6th seal in Revelation 6, to name a few, the day of the Lord follows great tribulation not parallels it. We can even see this in the OT as well. Isaiah 13:9...

Per Premil a person can be OSAS or a person can be NOSAS and it won't have an affect on Revelation 20:6 one way or the other. IOW, per Premil not one single person can lose part in the first resurrection no matter what. BTW, the most damning doctrine I can think of that's going to send a lot...

Roger, I get it about different angles. I already agree that Revelation is not chronoligical throughout. What you are arguing here ignores the points I made, that none of the vials of wrath are poured out before when Revelation 15:2 is meaning and that Revelation 15:2 is meaning there are no...