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Well...then what does this mean:......Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...(et al) How can anyone advocate disbelief of scriptures when they are so clear...in themselves and without the need of supportive scriptures...gets me.

It is God's plan...that make's sense.

All will be judged...if that is what you refer too.

Not futile at all...it is a glimpse of other ...new age religion beliefs....you have most likely adopted. Of which represents a wrong approach to God's word. Suggest you look closely at your interpretation of His word....totally.

Don't we wish there were only four. You have just added another......"while Jesus has come back". Even God relates to book of Revelation...... as future. Why can't you?

I am very happy and blessed with understanding of God's word. I wish I could conclude that about all others.

Good points....but, I always go to the aBible when looking for an answer and it has a satisfactory answer for me;....in the end times there will be a falling away. THat includes from all walks of life...including the church leadership...and especially included are those folks to cause chaos in...

You are correct. If one wishes to perpetuate ......new age religion interpretations of God's word..... one could advocate repentance is replaced by John 3;16...and that would be as incorrect as using it to replace the umbrella of grace, because that is the grace umbrella established by Christ...

Only by mailmandan's bible ...not the authentic one.......as reflected here in 1611 KJV Bible; Is there another language I could convert this too which would help your understanding?

That is a dangling participle way around reflecting belief that birthing amniotic fluid full fills the requirement of water baptism. Not scriptural.

WOW....you have need of Bible study. There is nothing in scripture which suggests Christ has previously returned. That thought could only come from a .....new age religion...follower. May God assist in a valid understanding of His word for you.

Ok .....you have now revealed your beliefs as not accepting the Bible as God guided.

Those various agendas as revealed by discussions are very important for a newbie to become aware of so he can be prepared of what faces him in his trek of living for Christ. Even Christ addresses this where He say..."you may pay a price for following Me".

New age religion person believes; OSAS Universalism....all will be saved. Baptism is not required (new) Repentance is not necessary One is free to choose any intercessor to pray to. Etc. Hopefully you speak of another ...new ager ...stuff.?

Being a black person is not sinful. Why do you state that? Are you saying we should tell a black person to go and be not black anymore? God, please guide this poster.

Oh no...you can't turn it around...a typical leftist trick.... you said the .......thief was not Baptized...show the scripture support or be corrected by the Bible? You have revealed yourself as..... a new age religion person..... who does not believe the Bible and that you have the right to...

A born again believer is accompanied by the Holy Spirit Who assists' us in our commitment to live a life of righteousness. The reason the Bible says....pray that the Holy Spirit never leaves you, for He will not return. We could never withstand the onslaught of satan alone...is the reason. The...

Scripture is referring to Christ not man. Meaning...there is no sin in Christ...the Holy Son. We are told in many ways...Christ has no sin.

Back to the thread intent. The end time notice of....falling away...would include the church leadership...I conclude therefore affecting God's work .....which we hear ...nearly daily where they have gone wrong. Money miss use or sexual deviations. That at a level without precedent.

The mountain tops were flooded. The flood would not have changed the rivers...only temporary as to depth and volume. They would not have been running as you show with the surrounding impact. A minor point I thought you had other in mind.