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That is no0t what the bible says. Grammatically (and God is perfect in grammar) it says we are predestined. and to what are WE predestined to? To be adopted as sons! also WE were selected before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless before Him.

Because there are two specific resurrections listed in Rev. 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his...

So you have two churches (bodies of Christ for that is what the church is) instead of the one God teaches in His Word. Good luck with that.

We can calculate it in a range. That is why Christians who are experts in the fields of geology, archeology, physics, paleontology etc. all give a 7-10k year range. Not older and possibly slightly younger.

Well that is your allegation. and your proof that Matthias was not an Apostle by god is.....?

this is incorrect as even a cursory look at the verse shows. It says "Haying predestined US, not having predestined to adopt children. we are predestined to be adopted. It cannot be read correctly any other way.

None of us deserve what God gives us because of Jesus! we just must receive them from the hands of a loving and merciful God. And yes, it will never be enough. We can either allow the suffering to overwhelm us and put us in some funk, or we can accept the call of God and do what He wishes to...

No we are all chosen (predestined) before eh earth was formed. Ephesians 1 King James Version 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord...

It still does nothing to prove the earth is billions of years old. At most teh earth is 10K years. That allows for skipped generations and that Adam walked on earth for X time before the fall.

OT saints were part of the belieivng remnant of Israel in the OT. Saved Jews in the NT are part of the body and part of the believing remnant God has in Israel in all ages!

You truly are sad. You do not know the Joy God wishes you to have. In this life there will be insufferable misery. Eternity for the redeemed will be nothing but eternal bliss!

Matthias replaced Judas! And if you read the passages it is not the image of Jesus that was predestined, but we are predestined to be conformed!

Well it is fact, so how the common human views it is kind of an irrelevancy. I am sure most people dislike it very much, but truth is truth whether we like it or not.

ICR and their in depth text books did it for me.

agree 100%

Of course not, but we have been talking post cross as the OP{ aabout Paul stated.

Mankind's ego and stubbornness to submit to God!

Guess He was the first Jehovah Witness in being invisibly returned!hlfclfhlfh

Well all your philosophizing is 20 centuries removed and all these scholares are making their egghead guesses. Johns gospel is an excellent apologetic against Gnosticism which is what John wrote it for. So you are saying at least 17 centuries of faithful believers have been deceived and you...

Yes we are. We may not have the same calling But Romans 8 and ephesians 2 show believers are chosen, predestined and foreordained! You are saying God the Father only gave Jesus 11 (not Judas) that is inherently and biblically wrong!