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"John Wesley fitted that description.." - Good point. --- The issue is.. - People focus on 'the title'.. too much. - For recognition, status, etc.. --- There are Christian leaders/workers involved in 'pioneer missions' work in difficult places.. - In countries.. where 'traditional missionaries'...

Any movement in Christian history changes.. - From original focus, commitment, vision, etc.. - After the first generation.. - More on..'status, recognition & money/assets'. - It becomes another establishment. Examples: Methodist Revival/Movement, Pentecostal & Charismatic Movement.. ---- It is...

Interesting history...those days. ----- *Wimber had connection with Wagner.. - 'Third Wave' movement. ---- Wagner acknowledged his mistakes/errors.. later days. He had an interesting journey.. - He was not open to spiritual gifts..for many years. -

Good morning, CB coffee/tea drinkers. ---- 6:37 am East Coast ---- Having my 2nd cup of coffee.. * Nice picture..

Vineyard is part of 'Third Wave'.. - A term coined by Peter Wagner.. at Fuller.

I remember.. John Wimber. - 1990..at the conference. ---- I like stories... - Early days of Vineyard.

Interesting topic. --- Those who never had 'lack of money'.. - It might be difficult to understand..about people who are going through 'poverty, not enough money for daily food, etc..' ---- I remember the time.. - When I did not have gas money for my car..to go to the meeting. --- Interesting...

3:58 am East Coast ---- Having early morning coffee...

"I don't believe the Charismatic movement can be judged by.." - Good point. ---- My experience with the Charismatic Movement started...in 1970's. ---- There are different views/perspectives... among spirit-filled Christians. (Pentecostals/Charismatics) - Concerning spiritual gifts, issues, etc...

We went to retreat/camp near 'the bay'..many years ago. Several people were baptised there. - I learned that outdoor baptism is special..

Good timing.. - A sense of humor might be helpful. --- I like the Babylon Bee..

Good morning, CB. ---- 7:23 am East Coast Better weather.. this week. ---- Having my coffee.. ---- Breakfast.. - Sausage & Egg

"..has different flavors of response to the Lord's presence." ---- I was at a conference..some years ago. During the praise/singing.. - People started to kneel, lying on the floor, etc.. - Including worship leaders. Music/Singing stopped... - It lasted about 10 minutes.

5:40 am East Coast Rainy/cloudy weather...last several days. ---- Having my 2nd cup of coffee..

Welcome to CB. ---- More of His grace to you.. - On your spiritual journey. Blessings,

To: TL Post #53 Spiritual Awakening/Renewal movements often bring fresh vision of Missions..in Christian history. - I found interesting stories..when I was doing research for the book.

My experience with Charismatic Movement started in 1970's. - learning/experiencing spiritual gifts.. --- There are many camps/streams in Charismatic Movement/Renewal. - Different views/perspectives on issues, etc.. --- Any movement in Christian history went through criticisms. - Example...

I was involved in UMC...during 1970's ( a few years ). - It is inevitable.. what is going on. ---- I like stories of early days.. - Methodist Revival/Movement - & Circuit Riders

The fish that goes along with the current, hasn't any trouble with the current. But as soon as he starts the other way, the current gets sore at him. Just as long as you go the way the wind blows, everybody will say you are very fine and commend you for being deeply religious. If you decide to...

It seems that some posts had 'good advice/suggestion' for you. ----- Christian faith is..more than 'morality, intellectual knowledge/information, etc..' Maybe you need to move into..beyond that level. - As you continue to search/seek.. Blessings,