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  1. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Yes, all have to be removed from Adam's dead corruptible flesh. You cannot take sin and death into eternal life. The church is glorified, and told to wait until the sheep, wheat, and 144k are translated out of death and sin. How many times is the church glorified? The sheep, wheat, and...
  2. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The church is in heaven since the Cross, see Jesus on the Cross. You should rightly divide the Word of God, and then you would understand the Day of the Lord, instead of a tossed biblical salad of nonsense. Then you are 2 Peter 3:8 that Peter tells you not to be, because Peter told you that...
  3. Timtofly

    The 42 months is a “sign” of time.

    The point was that God had not set up the law against killing people. Cain was marked to protect Cain from being killed for killing his brother. You have to remember that by the time Lamech lived was in Noah's day just before the Flood. The death penalty was instituted after the Flood...
  4. Timtofly

    The 42 months is a “sign” of time.

    Neither is the "man of sin". Satan is the beast and "man of sin" that goes in and out of the pit, until placed there in chains for a thousand years.
  5. Timtofly

    The 42 months is a “sign” of time.

    That is why the Seals pertain to the church, and the Trumpets pertain to Israel. Even the Trumpets are divided into 2×3. There are 3 woes. The 7th Trumpet is after the 7 Thunders. Satan only symbolically overcomes. Satan cannot defeat Jesus, but Jesus hands over the kingdoms of the earth...
  6. Timtofly

    The 42 months is a “sign” of time.

    No, that would be according to your interpretation. The Word of the Lord is to be rightly divided, not poured into a mixing bowel, and claiming one single symbolic event. The time of safety at the first coming was about 70 years after the birth of Jesus. The other time mentioned in...
  7. Timtofly

    The wine of God's wrath in the cup of His indignation

    Paul was "talking about" Satan. Satan has constantly stirred up every generation of wicked humans. Even Ham the son of Noah was the wicked one of his generation of 6 people, affected by Satan.
  8. Timtofly

    A few shall be left

    Do you know the difference between the heavenly kingdom of God, and the earthly kingdom of Christ the King after the Second Coming?
  9. Timtofly

    A few shall be left

    Do you know the difference between disobedience and the curse of sin, when it came to Adam? Was Adam a sinner and constantly sinning prior to eating from the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil? If you understand that point, you will understand the Millennial Kingdom.
  10. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    Just because Amil is wrong, and your logic is wrong, does not make NOSAS right. Your logic is correct that one can never be saved and then given a first resurrection after rejecting the Gospel. That logic would mean no one is physically resurrected at the GWT Judgment either. The first...
  11. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    People only need Jesus to say the second death has no power over them. They do not have to change the definition of biblical terms to prove a point. Both the second birth and the first resurrection equally prevent one from having the second death placed on them. And not all of humanity will...
  12. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    Revelation 20 is not about any other reign than these verses teach. Revelation 20 is about those beheaded in the prior 42 months joining this everlasting reign as living physically on earth for a thousand years. No one is limiting the reign of Christ. Amil miss the point it is possible for...
  13. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    Oh really? Then there is no Amil perspective, as that is the definition of a preconceived opinion. Some posters are constantly complaining because others cannot see the Amil perspective. If you said that Scripture only teaches Amil, then no one would have an Amil perspective at all, only a...
  14. Timtofly

    The only way Amil can remotely be Biblical is if NOSAS isn't Biblical.

    These doctrines of men can only work under certain conditions, and both claim to be biblical, but are not, in their entirety. You say OSAS cannot work, because God reserves the right to "unsave" a person. I say NOSAS cannot work, because Gentiles as a whole are not grafted into and made...
  15. Timtofly

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    You don't think Jesus will ever return to the earth? The Jews started a civil war and caused the destruction of their own country. Jesus is the 70th week. 3.5 years as Messiah, and 3.5 years as the Prince to come. The Messiah part has been finished. The Prince part over His people...
  16. Timtofly

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    What Calendar confirms that the Cross was the start? The "Catholic calendar" erroneously places the death at 33AD, so the birth of Jesus is the dividing point. If you are correct, then it should actually be 1994 and not 2024.
  17. Timtofly

    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    The Day God rested and generations on earth happened. Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens," The first Day of the Lord included 6 days of creation and a thousand years of...
  18. Timtofly

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    John was not inspired. John saw the actual event happen and wrote it down. That is the point you are missing. John did not write under inspiration, nor had inspired visions. John gave us a symbolic pattern of actual events that he was a witness to. "And when the seven thunders had...
  19. Timtofly

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    How would Paul know about the 7th Trumpet that was written about after Paul had physically died. Obviously Paul was referring to a last Trumpet, but not referreing to the event called the 7th Trumpet. John may or may not have been referencing the same Trumpets at all. If both were...
  20. Timtofly

    Are the trumpets and vials running in parallel like some insist?

    Is this part of the topic or did you derail your own thread in the OP? I think chapter 15 is an example of a time stamp for the parenthetical parts outside of the listed events. The events themselves called the 7 Seals, the 7 Trumpets, the 7 Thunders (most people ignore these altogether)...