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Enoch, That's not how the MSS closer to the time of Jesus read: 'For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree' (1 John 5:7-8 ESV). Oz

APAK, I am not an ignoramus concerning the Trinity. See my articles: Is the Trinity taught in the Bible? How to understand three persons in the Trinity Throughout Gen 1, the name of God is Elohim. He is plural in Gen 1:1. YHWH is not introduced as the name of God until Gen 2. Oz

What's your point?o_O

Have you spoken to every single Christian who has ever lived to reach that conclusion or is this Willie T's assumption?

Willie T, Which God do we put our trust in? 'And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him' (Heb 11:6 NIV). Which God is he that we must believe exists before we can 'earnestly seek...

dude, One minute after your last breath you'll wish you had taken my conversation with you seriously. Oz

dude, I quote from the Bible because I'm quoting from an historical document that has been demonstrated to be trustworthy. I've given the documentation of such historical science above but you're not listening or taking notice. The Book of Mormon has not been demonstrated to be a reliable...

dude, This is God's assessment of your logical fallacy of ridicule of God's existence: 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them...

Headache, You can't even write this sentence in clear and correct English: <<Yeah, I could have written it more clearly, but with wiggle room I've (sic) mean the time between the events happening and the writting (sic) down ????>> And you want me to believe your research after this kind of...

Barney, We know so much more about the universe, thanks to the advances in astronomy and space missions. Take a look at this evidence that I have placed in a lesson I'm preparing for Religious Instruction in State schools: Think of the second heaven and the majesty of God’s amazing work...

I'm asking for you to do the research on the reliability of OT and NT. I gave you Kenneth Kitchen's research as a starter and mentioned Walter Kaiser Jr. So far, you've not mentioned a word about reading these two sources. You could obtain them through your local library.

Headache, I'm asking you to examine the OT and NT on reliability or unreliability of historical evidence. We use the same criteria as ancient historians. If these documents are demonstrated to be reliable, then you go to them to discover whatever subject you are pursuing. If they are not...

You go and check. You are being lazy at this point, not wanting to investigate the evidence.

Dude, Please provide the documentation from Kitchen and Kaiser Jr that that is what they believe. Oz

Joseph, How can he tell 'Him' this when he doesn't accept He exists? That would be like speaking to the sky, knowing that no response was possible. Oz

Dude, I'm saying that the Kitchen & Kaiser Jr who checked out the historicity of the OT found it to be a reliable set of documents. These researchers did not find the OT to be historically accurate in some places. So which is accurate historical info in the OT? Which is inaccurate historical...

Dude, You didn't take notice of the content of the historical research on the OT that I gave you by Kenneth Kitchen and Walter Kaiser Jr that confirmed the historical reliability of the OT. I'm not convinced you want to give the OT and NT a fair hearing concerning historical trustworthiness. Oz

Dude, That is not how I presented the material. The truth is that the Old Testament and New Testament when subjected to the criteria of historical research come out with a golden shine. The reliability of the OT is seen in publications such as: On the Reliability of the Old Testament, Kenneth...

Headache, You don't have an open mind to honestly examine the evidence I provided. Your anti-Christian, pro-pagan presuppositions overwhelm your discussion. God performed miracles for the Israelites in Egypt that the Egyptian gods could not perform. Who was the one true God who did...

Josho, Good to see you on the forum - another Aussie, Aussie, Aussie. My general experience with atheists and agnostics is their focus on the empirical method science of observation and repeatability. They are poor in understanding the criteria to use when doing historical investigation /...