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  1. PinSeeker

    Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

    LOL! Well, yes, but in the death that he (and Eve) died on the very day they partook of the forbidden tree, just as God told Adam he would in Genesis 2:17. So alive in the body, but dead spiritually. This is what it means to be in Adam. Of course not, but that's a non sequitur. We (if we...
  2. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Jesus clearly refers to the Holy Spirit as another Person/Helper aside from ~ but one with ~ the Father and Himself in John 14. The third person personal pronouns are unmistakeable... "He," "Him," "Who," etc... at the very least the Holy Spirit is Someone distinct from Jesus Himself. Yes, the...
  3. PinSeeker

    Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

    Well, yes it is. It's all through Scripture, not just Revelation 20. Disagree, of course... :) The millennium of Revelation 20:3 is the current Gospel age, at the beginning of which the angel came down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain... Christ...
  4. PinSeeker

    Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

    Not specifically, no, but it is surely about God bringing his plan of redemption of His elect to completion, which involves him bringing the fullness of them into His Israel, and culminates in the return of Christ, the final Judgment, and the consummation of the Kingdom. It's really quite...
  5. PinSeeker

    What is the Difference in Faith and Beliefs?

    Well, fortunately, the Greek word that is translated to the English 'faith' is defined for us by God Himself in Hebrews 11:1 as, "the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." The question then is, where ~ or from whom ~ do we get this assurance and conviction? Do we...
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    Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

    Hmm... okay. No, many soft-pedal it, thereby not understanding it for what it truly is. All you said was, "The church age started in the OT, with a newer church age starting with the 12 disciples...long before Pentecost. Pentecost was when the NT church GREW a lot in a short time, not the...
  7. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Well, you replied to me, here, but I'm not Rich... :) Yes, the gifts of the Spirit include specific things like knowledge, wisdom, mercy, teaching... specific things that the Spirit has purposely gifted us with so that we are then able to bless other people by (and they us) in the ways...
  8. PinSeeker

    Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

    Israel ~ God's Israel ~ is not solely made up of the New Testament church, which includes Gentile believers. And what does it mean to be grafted in, EWQ? Don't soft-pedal it, now... :) Disagree. But... this is just not a matter worth really having any sort of contention over, I think. It...
  9. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Yes, John, Paul, and Jews in general knew that the Hebrew and Greek verb "to know" was synonymous with "to love" and to sovereignly distinguish and favor in this way. They knew their language, so we should understand it on their terms. Can you ~ or any mere human being ~ make the blind to see...
  10. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Well, yes and no. Yes, of course, regarding His time on earth, as that only came about a bit over two thousand years ago, but no, as evidenced by the fact that, as you may or may not acknowledge but is true nonetheless, Jesus prays to the Father to restore to Him the glory He (Jesus) had with...
  11. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Jesus, when He calls Himself the Son of Man, is referring directly to what the prophet Daniel wrote of his vision in Daniel 7:9-14... "As I looked, thrones were placed, and the Ancient of Days took His seat; His clothing was white as snow, and the hair of His head like pure wool; His throne was...
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    Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

    Well, not solely... We are in the church age, since Pentecost, in which, as Paul says in Ephesians 2, we are no longer strangers and aliens, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being...
  13. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Three in distinct personhood does not equal three in distinct substance. I've used this before, and it's a very limited analogy, but serves: A football team (say, the Green Bay Packers) consists of 53 persons at any given time, but still is only one football team. :) Well, 54, including the...
  14. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    Yeah, you're just being terribly obstinate, Rich. :) Or... Well, I'll leave it there. A "third god." My stars... Yeah, just total obstinance, with a good dose of willful blindness mixed in... Whatever the case, you're certainly not alone; these forums are rife with these things. So be...
  15. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I don't think you do understand (although it's far from difficult), and that's why you can't understand. Christ's Church consists of all of those in Christ and thus of God's Israel ~ backward in time from His crucifixion and resurrection and forward. Maybe it would be easier for you if you...
  16. PinSeeker

    What is "OSAS"?

    Well, surely not if so many continue to insist it means something quite different than it is ~ or... get the order wrong, that we keep our own salvation by obedience and good works, rather than what is true, that our obedience and good works are the result and natural outpouring of the faith...
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    What is "OSAS"?

    Sure. I never insinuated otherwise. Yes, even though we are saved, we still sin. However, if one is in fact saved ~ born again from above ~ he/she will not "choose to turn to live in sin again" but rather choose otherwise, because he/she is no longer of the devil but of God. As Christians...
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    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    This is in direct refutation to what Paul ~ the Jew of Jews ~ says regarding Israel and who true Jews really are in the latter part of Romans 2, specifically... "For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and...
  19. PinSeeker

    Who will occupy the land of Israel in Paradise earth?

    I can appreciate that. But what you said was: "We are asked to believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Our salvation depends on that belief." Now, maybe this is not what you mean to say in saying that, but what you're saying here ~ explicitly ~ is that our salvation depends on our having...
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    What is "OSAS"?

    Free will ~ although we certainly have wills... :) ~ has no impact on and thus means nothing regarding whom (or Whom) or what (righteousness or unrighteousness) we are enslaved to. Our wills conform to whom (and to what) we are enslaved, and in that limited sense our wills are never free. If...